I think I'm trying to make sense of how to rate these guys.

For instance, I mentioned the Ingles, I have a lot of respect for the fact they've brought some world class fighters through from scratch. However, I do conceed that I can only take so much of Brendan Ingles 'arc yer jab, throw yer bombs' and that thier style is perhaps lacking at the very highest level...

That said, the likes of Goosen, Steward, Roach have all taken on new charges once most of the work has been done. In this instance, as Fenster alludes to, it's all about matching the right fighter to the right trainer. Simply having Steward in your corner isn't going guarantee a win. Putting Steward with Lewis however was a masterstroke. Thier respective styles complimented each other.



Actually, the more I think about it, is Roach's influence overstated?

For instance, I can't see a lot of Roach's influence in James Toney. To me, it just looks like he's the only one that'll put up with him. As for Manny, although we're crediting Roach for developing Pacs left hook...what about against Marquez where it was apparent that Manny actually isn't that sophisticated. There was no plan B there. There's no depth to Manny.