Cotto vs Mayweather (discuss)

[SigmaMu]

Oh and by the way, just because Zab gave Floyd trouble in the early rounds don't mean he would give Cotto any trouble. You remember what KT did to Zab in the second round? The samething would happen to Zab if he got in there with Cotto.

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[SweetPea]

Cotto's a great young prospect, but he would be in over his head against Mayweather. All the talk for Cotto is about his power and strength. Power is a great weapon, but not as great as speed, defense, and technique. Cotto has been successful by relentlessly attacking the body of his opponent. That's a highly effective strategy 99% of the time, but a consistent body attack doesn't work when you're facing a guy who can't be hit consistently.

Floyd is just entirely too fast and smart for Cotto. I see a Mayweather-Cotto fight playing out in a similar fashion to the Mayweather-Corrales fight. Power isn't valuable if you can't land anything. Mayweather's not going to lose at 147 (where he would fight Cotto) until his reflexes have diminished to the point where he is easy to hit. That's still a few years off at least.

Everytime Floyd faces a rugged opponent, everyone talks about how the opponent is going to shock Floyd with power punches. And then everytime, Floyd gives the guy a boxing lesson. Speed/experience > power, everytime.

[Wacko3205]

You said Cotto struggled against Torres?

Here is the break down of that fight. I am not sure what fight you were watching but it was hardly a struggle. It was a great fight with two fighters who gave it their all and held nothing back.

Read on.


The night was over and Miguel Cotto had survived and triumphed over his most difficult challenge as a pro.

Wow. Ummmmm...one word & it's highlighted...he survived.

Trust me...as a Cotto fan...I was moritified in that fight. Cotto struggled & he survived...anyone that can't admit that is...well...what you'd call someone that shows blind devotion & refuses to acknowledge that all men are mortal.

It was a great fight...but Cotto fought a stupid fight...just like he did against Corley.

If Miquel don't remember his boxing abilities...& they are plentiful...he'll be the next Tito for sure...just like everyone has been creaming for...but it'll be in a bad way.

[Wacko3205]

Good thread to start.

Should work up plenty of hate.

Here's one thing to consider...Cotto mentioned Floyd only breifly a year or so ago.

He sat in ringside for Mayweather vs Bruseles.

Bruseles was one of Cotto's sparring partner. Mayweather was waaaaaay ahead by the 8th round when Floyd hammered him out & knocked Bruseles down twice before the fight was stopped.

Admittedly...Cotto was there to scope out Floyd...apparently he didn't dig on what he saw that night...because he hasn't made to much of a fuss about him sense.

I'm a HUGE Cotto fan & a HUGE Floyd fan & I can honestly say that this fight is about on the same level as the Oscar Floyd fight for me...I just don't want to see it.

I truly don't think that Cotto could deal with the speed & defense of Floyd.

As far as Cotto's power...I think Floyd has the chin to take it...but the question would fall to the body shots...could Flody take em?

Who knows.

Good post Wacko...I'd CC you but I'm not at 100 posts yet. Anyhow, that's why I was slightly leaning towards Cotto...POWER. You know for a fact Cotto will prepare like hell for this fight meaning he will tighten up his defence. We all know Cotto throw a punch and hits EXTREMELY hard which is why I think he has what it takes to breakdown PBF. I honestly don't think PBF would be able to a clean shot to the chin by Cotto or at least not hurt him. Cotto comes into the ring at 160+ I beleive and is very comfortable at that weight. I would definetely love to see this fight as I do beleive Cotto has "a shot" at beating PBF. Breaking through PBF may not be possible straight up but if he bangs the body the way he knows how...you might start seeing PBF's hands slowly get lower as the fight would go on. Cotto's POWER shots would be the key to this fight if it ever happens.

either way.

Like I said...good thread.

[SigmaMu]

You said Cotto struggled against Torres?

Here is the break down of that fight. I am not sure what fight you were watching but it was hardly a struggle. It was a great fight with two fighters who gave it their all and held nothing back.

Read on.


The night was over and Miguel Cotto had survived and triumphed over his most difficult challenge as a pro.

Wow. Ummmmm...one word & it's highlighted...he survived.

Trust me...as a Cotto fan...I was moritified in that fight. Cotto struggled & he survived...anyone that can't admit that is...well...what you'd call someone that shows blind devotion & refuses to acknowledge that all men are mortal.

It was a great fight...but Cotto fought a stupid fight...just like he did against Corley.

If Miquel don't remember his boxing abilities...& they are plentiful...he'll be the next Tito for sure...just like everyone has been creaming for...but it'll be in a bad way.

Well I threw that out there to see if anyone is actually reading. I see you are. Kudos.
What can I say about Cotto and his performance against Torres? I thought it was awesome. Cotto was willing to trade with a decent puncher and make it a war. I enjoyed it very much. I also enjoyed how he handled himself everytime he did get rocked. He shows alot of smarts and heart.

There is no doubt in my mind that Cotto will be fighting more like he used to before he became wreckless. When he does decide to cover up, he does it pretty well. We have not seen that Cotto in a very long time.

Cotto is going to have to go back to being more patient and pound Quintana to the body. I have watched some of Cotto's sparring and it looks like he is going to box more using the ring and trying to counter. Look for Quintana to be the aggresor at least in the early rounds. Cotto should have his man ready, soft and tender by the 8th and hopefully we see some even more brutal left hooks to the head, arms and liver. Looks like Carlos has the height and reach advantange so let's see if Cotto can out box him. If he can't, it will be a war and some one is getting knocked out early as Cotto will have to become the aggresor and do battle toe to toe and on the inside. There is a lot at stake for both men. May the best fighter win. I am sure we will not be let down with this fight.

Prediction? Cotto stops Quintana in the 11th.



Oh and let's see what Velocity has to offer. Remember Cotto likes to take rounds off usually like the 4th or 5th

[Mattyhitman]

You said Cotto struggled against Torres?

Here is the break down of that fight. I am not sure what fight you were watching but it was hardly a struggle. It was a great fight with two fighters who gave it their all and held nothing back.

Read on.


The night was over and Miguel Cotto had survived and triumphed over his most difficult challenge as a pro.

Wow. Ummmmm...one word & it's highlighted...he survived.

Trust me...as a Cotto fan...I was moritified in that fight. Cotto struggled & he survived...anyone that can't admit that is...well...what you'd call someone that shows blind devotion & refuses to acknowledge that all men are mortal.

It was a great fight...but Cotto fought a stupid fight...just like he did against Corley.

If Miquel don't remember his boxing abilities...& they are plentiful...he'll be the next Tito for sure...just like everyone has been creaming for...but it'll be in a bad way.

Well I threw that out there to see if anyone is actually reading. I see you are. Kudos.
What can I say about Cotto and his performance against Torres? I thought it was awesome. Cotto was willing to trade with a decent puncher and make it a war. I enjoyed it very much. I also enjoyed how he handled himself everytime he did get rocked. He shows alot of smarts and heart.

There is no doubt in my mind that Cotto will be fighting more like he used to before he became wreckless. When he does decide to cover up, he does it pretty well. We have not seen that Cotto in a very long time.

Cotto is going to have to go back to being more patient and pound Quintana to the body. I have watched some of Cotto's sparring and it looks like he is going to box more using the ring and trying to counter. Look for Quintana to be the aggresor at least in the early rounds. Cotto should have his man ready, soft and tender by the 8th and hopefully we see some even more brutal left hooks to the head, arms and liver. Looks like Carlos has the height and reach advantange so let's see if Cotto can out box him. If he can't, it will be a war and some one is getting knocked out early as Cotto will have to become the aggresor and do battle toe to toe and on the inside. There is a lot at stake for both men. May the best fighter win. I am sure we will not be let down with this fight.

Prediction? Cotto stops Quintana in the 11th.



Oh and let's see what Velocity has to offer. Remember Cotto likes to take rounds off usually like the 4th or 5th

Ya right in what ya say regards to Cotto taking time out in fights, some say thats down to his stamina and the how hard it is for him to boil down to LWW. Now he is fighting at welter this should not be the case, and i have read somewhere that he is now training and looking like he can and will fight for 3 mins of every round he is in there. I hope so as im a fan of Cotto and to see him throw his combo's for the full 3 mins will be a joy to watch

[Wacko3205]

There is no doubt in my mind that Cotto will be fighting more like he used to before he became wreckless. When he does decide to cover up, he does it pretty well. We have not seen that Cotto in a very long time.

Agreed. If Cotto's gonna make this work...he's gotta think back to the Sosa & Bailey shots.

Cotto's gotta remember his cover up & push pattern. Keep his guard up, be patient, crack the body, & all will come together.

Honestly...I was most impressed with the Sosa fight...more than any. That was total focus & complete patience coupled with control. Everytime Cotto cracked his ribs...down came his hands & back went Sosa's neck with a snap.

He needs to approach Quintana the same way...just a bit more cautiously & patiently. Make no mistake...Quintana aint here to lie down & he'll make it as hard on Cotto as possible.

My issue is this...& it's the same with Mayweather...no matter who Floyd or Cotto fight...it's never good enough due to the hype machines that they both are. Mind, body, & soul Cotto was totally focused up to his 20th fight & then he started listening to his hometown crowds & HBO's bullshit about need another Tito...& plain & simple...he got stupid. I respect Floyd & I respect Cotto...but in the ring...they are two totally different animals now. If Cotto can get back to his proper mentallity...147lbs is about to get a serious gut & head check & IWO...the top two will fall in line as Floyd & Cotto.

Now...back to Quintana...before I get ahead of meself!

Not only does Carlos have a height and reach slight over Cotto...he's faster in my opinion & currently the better boxer...again, unless Cotto screws his head back on as before. Honestly, old Cotto could have out boxed him...but old Cotto was smarter & faster @ 140lbs...or balooning up to 145-146 the day of.

I think in the end it all boils down to Cotto's mindset. Box...or be stupid.

Being stupid ends in a Quintana SD...boxing...Cotto by late TKO.

Yeppers...I gotta shift my prediction here near the end...to...just not sure.

But leaning towards Cotto...I never bet against Miquel...until he faces Floyd.

[jbirdy]

i pick mayweather to win a UD over cotto. only cos i dont think cotto is busy enough to beat mayweather. but he might set a higher pace at welter though i'll have to wait and see.

[El Gamo]

i pick mayweather to win a UD over cotto. only cos i dont think cotto is busy enough to beat mayweather. but he might set a higher pace at welter though i'll have to wait and see.

Excellent points,CC. Cotto says his stamina is better and if it is,he is going to be a REAL handful for anyone at 147 but I think PBF would be a bit too tough. It's the styles,ALTHOUGH if Cotto could get the right ring side and trap PBF on the ropes,he COULD damage him. Cotto would certainly be the best body puncher he's faced. I don't know,I'd have to see Cotto at 147 but I think we can all UNANIMOUSLY agree that it would be tougher than any of PBF's other fights he has had at 147....

[lb4lb]

Cotto's opponents seemed to be blocking most of Cotto's punches, but his power seemed to get through and still create a welt their faces.

And that's EXACTLY what I'm referring to...Because of Cotto's devasting power and nice hand speed, he doesn't have to neccesarily hit clean. His last 2 figths, (Branco and Malignaggi) both were busted up REAL bad. Both look like they were hit by a train. Again, I think Cotto's power punches (even if they didn't land clean) would eventually have mayweather lowering his hands covering his body...again, this IMHO...
This is actually a dream fight for me to see...Albeit I'm a HUGE Cotto fan...but seriously speaking, I think Cotto has the devasting power punches to do the job.

Don't forget Mohamad Abdulaev. That dude seemed to grow a second head during the fight.

[CutMeMick]

Title: Cotto vs Mayweather (discuss)


I take it this is what PBF is looking forward to, a fight against Cotto since ODLH will wipe the canvas with his white furry trunks....

[Wacko3205]

Title: Cotto vs Mayweather (discuss)


I take it this is what PBF is looking forward to, a fight against Cotto since ODLH will wipe the canvas with his white furry trunks....

Oh waaaaaaaah.

As soon as we see a picture below on your sig with Floyd & "Dr. Fudge-Em's & his Mega Shades"...that'll all change.

[frozensolid_702]

if malignaggi had as much success as he did against cotto, mayweather would beat cotto down to a puddle

[Wacko3205]

if malignaggi had as much success as he did against cotto, mayweather would beat cotto down to a puddle

Agreed...Floyd's got better reflexes & he's a helluvah lot faster.

I truly believe that Cotto don't want none of Mayweather. I always have thought that & I always will...the problem is...as with a lot of these recent matches...I have to pick between two of my favorites...& that's a tuffy...but I still pick Floyd on this one.

Hands up or down.

[Purist]

I still pick Floyd on this one.

Hands up or down.

What if he breaks them?