LMFAO.. the ropesOriginally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
lmfao ... Glad he cleared that up , all this time I was under the impression he lost the fight for lack of heart, conditioning and determination factor.
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LMFAO.. the ropesOriginally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
lmfao ... Glad he cleared that up , all this time I was under the impression he lost the fight for lack of heart, conditioning and determination factor.
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Really? I ate up that Bewster fight. But now we have a guy named Shannon holding a beltOriginally Posted by wacko3205
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Never was a fan of Brewster either...or Briggs for that matter. Brewster lucked out on a gassed Wladimir.Originally Posted by amat
Never beg a 40 dollar hooker...specially after she's just turned down your mom's credit card!!
There's no one that i think is that great i just like watching wlad take out the division's garbage.Originally Posted by wacko3205
You American right?Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Its true though, from now, im pretty much gonna disregard any strap not held by Wlad. He's the Boss, nuff said.
Why dont they make a Superheavyweight division.
That way at least youd get so much more Cruisers making the move to Heavyweight.
Its getting silly with these 6ft6+ Giants fighting Fat or riddicculously pumped up or out of shape guys who should really only be fighting at 15st or so.
Im not a fan of this facination for "David and Goliath" match ups. That shat is for the Circus.
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Bad idea for many reasons:Originally Posted by The Grinch
Setting up a division just based on heighth is crazy.
If you wanna set it up based on 300 plus and over 6'5 guys let me introduce you to the entire division - Vitali if he comes back, Valuev, Butterbean, Wlad, Tye Fields, That guy peter ktfo after he lost to wlad, Alexander Dimitrenko, Audley Harrison, and Malcolm Tann. Let me tell you that would be some rivitting, intense, 4-rounds of bone-clinching action.![]()
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CC, totally agree.. A super heavy division is the last thing needed at this point.. Who the hell would compete in itOriginally Posted by Punisher136
At least, who that couldn't be challgneged by those under whatever specifications you want to base it on.. The HW division is SO limited at the moment, anyone 200+ with ability could be a real force.. Suppose they do make a super HW division, and a new Mike Tyson comes along in a few years... Your telling me he couldn't compete with the Klitschkos, Valuevs, and whoever the hell else you want to put in this division??
Who would copmpete in it?
Anyone over 16st.
Thats a lot of fighters.
One thing your all forgetting is that the Heavyweghts are becoming evermore isolated from the rest of boxing. Right through out history Heavyweight boxing has had a long line of champs and serious contenders who have made the jump from light heavyweight and (not so much since the md-80's) Cruiserweight.
These fighters provided a bit of umph in the division at times when it could be arguesd that talent was weak (Joe Louis, Marciano, Patterson, the dark ages etc etc).
But as it stands, the Heavyweight doesnt fall in line with a modern boxers progression through (at least a couple of) the weight divisions.
Your a heavyweight who's ideal fighting weight is 15st 7lbs. What do you do? Fight guys at 14st 4lbs or fight guys at 17st?
Its riddiculous IMO that the gap isnt bridged by a new weight division.
They brought in Cruiser but the Heavys are just getting heavier.
We need a new weight division.
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Who would watch it? What 300 pound Heavyweight is really worth watching? If Valuev is as exciting as they get then you can have a Super Heavyweight division that no one will watch.
whats with the 300lbs
Try making the limit 230lbs... Thats more along my line of thinking.
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It's BS though... Theres noone currently at 230+ that is a cut above, I realize the division is so lacking perhpaps it is hard to back my side of this at the current point in time... But Im saying that if they were to implement a super heavyweight division at 230, 240, 250+, what if a dominant heavy comes along who weighs 210-220.... WOuld he have to put on weight to challenge these chumps holding belts right now?? It's not realistic imo.Originally Posted by The Grinch
Wladamir Klitschko at last fight 241Originally Posted by p4pking
Sam Peter at last fight 257
James Toneyat last fight 233 (he weight more against Rahman)
Shannon Briggs in last fight 268
Hasim Rahman at last fight 235
Lamon Brewser at last fight 232
John Ruiz at last fight 238
Point being that just about every fighter in the heavyweight division bar (Chris Bird and Calvin Brock) who is a serious contender in a 14st 4lbs+ division is clearing 15st 6lbs at the scales!
my argument is that 85% of those boxers could of (or could still) compete at a lower weight, a weight that is more suited to them as far as conditioning and ability is concerned.
Shannon Briggs is a prime example of what you are saying.Originally Posted by p4pking
Point being it happens ANYWAY.
Heavyweight mentality is far removed from any other division and any other fighter in the sport of boxing and I personally (and I really don’t care if imp the only one) find it appalling.
I mean, there’s comments going around that points out a feeling of bewilderment towards Floyd Mayeather for eating his way up to 147 and no doubt, having to do the same the same for 154.
This goes against the modern conception of making weight. One would frown on this kind of preparation.
But a vast number of Majority of Heavies are munching the Mr. Kipling’s as a means to compete.
Even Wladamir Klitschko!!
In a division ever more keen on the notion of bigger is better, I feel it is necessary to once again, draw the line.
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