He is underrated when someone says he has no defense at all. I think he has a great defense when he isnt in attack mode and he has a great chin too. The only problem with pac is when he starts to throw flurries, he leaves himself wide open and off-balance and this gives the boxing purists a reason to criticize him. I remembered how many times Emmanuel steward mentioned how bad manny's positioning is and I dont know if he just loves morales too much or he is just insulting freddie roach's coaching abilities. I also remember when he said that if he was manny's trainer... He will make him a counterpuncher'. That says it all i think. He is the biggest critic of manny and the HBO subscribers were really influenced by him i think