Some real good posts here, nice to see the really good old timers getting credit. The problem with a young-ish base of people on this forum is that we are only really familier with people from our own era (as people are fans not historians).

Still, I sometimes get disappointed that we fall into the trap of thinking that better training and diet somehow creates more talented or tougher fighters in what is (today) a minority sport !!!!

How about adding Cleveland Williams to the list? He was a big guy, tough, could box (reminded me a bit of Rubin Carter stylewise, but with a much better punch) Williams was studiously avoided by everyone until he was old and past it.