Hatton v Cotto@147-what do you think?

[Steelie]

No I'm saying at that for the past 2 years he's struggled with the weight and could've moved up to fight any of the aforementioned (prior to the losses you mention and whilst they still carried a lot of thier lustre) yet he didn't he stayed at 140 and fought tenuous fringe contenders...

So why didn't he step up to 147 sooner?

I agree he should have stepped up earlier, I'll give you that.

But he didn't, spilled milk and what not, don't see the relevance of that to the topic of the thread though

The relevance is that how can certain quarters predict a comprehensive Cotto win when he hasn't mixed it with anything like elite level competition yet. Yes he looked classy at 147...but it was Quintana in there not ODH.

I'm also asking the question that if they knew he was going to be such a monster at 147 then why didn't they step him up sooner?

Didn't he even weigh in over for one of his recent fights?

[Tam Seddon]

Ill tell you what if this fight was such a big issue then why didnt it happen straight after the tszyu fight? both were champs undeafted and hungry. Ill tell you this Hatton has made the wrong choice going back down to 140 imo! he should be looking for the bigger fights and keeping up with the fighters he should be fighting. Im not 100% sure about this one but have any of these 2 fighters called each other out? Imo cottos record wont stay undeafted if he goes for Margarito

[killersheep]

No I'm saying at that for the past 2 years he's struggled with the weight and could've moved up to fight any of the aforementioned (prior to the losses you mention and whilst they still carried a lot of thier lustre) yet he didn't he stayed at 140 and fought tenuous fringe contenders...

So why didn't he step up to 147 sooner?

I agree he should have stepped up earlier, I'll give you that.

But he didn't, spilled milk and what not, don't see the relevance of that to the topic of the thread though

The relevance is that how can certain quarters predict a comprehensive Cotto win when he hasn't mixed it with anything like elite level competition yet. Yes he looked classy at 147...but it was Quintana in there not ODH.

I'm also asking the question that if they knew he was going to be such a monster at 147 then why didn't they step him up sooner?

Didn't he even weigh in over for one of his recent fights?

Had to check boxrec to see if he came in over, there are no weights listed for his fight against Branco, so it's possible it was that one, but all of his other fights he was within the limit. As for why he didn't move up sooner, you are not going to find this answer here. You need to ask his peeps why he did that. Try the Miguel Cotto fan board.

After all of this on here, I will state the following:

Cotto destroys Hatton at 147, just my opinion, and I'm entitled to it.
Cotto beats Hatton at 140, if it's not in Manchester and provided Cotto could make weight.
Both guys destroy Vivian Harris at 140 or 147.

The reason I bring up the Manchester thing is this. Fighters there are allowed to get away with things, that aren't allowed in other countries. Hatton has had only experience fighting there (Collazo fight, the exception of course), his style is based on being able to make those exceptions. When those things are taken away, he doesn't have the advatages anymore. It makes it more difficult for him to apply pressure when he can't hold and hit as much.

This is not a knock on the Manchester boxing people, all places have hometown judges, all places let some things pass. So I guess since I can't answer your question about Cotto not stepping up to 147 earlier, I will simply pose a question to you. Why didn't Hatton leave the UK sooner?

[killersheep]

Ill tell you what if this fight was such a big issue then why didnt it happen straight after the tszyu fight? both were champs undeafted and hungry. Ill tell you this Hatton has made the wrong choice going back down to 140 imo! he should be looking for the bigger fights and keeping up with the fighters he should be fighting. Im not 100% sure about this one but have any of these 2 fighters called each other out? Imo cottos record wont stay undeafted if he goes for Margarito

I disagree, Hatton should stay at 140, there are very tempting opportunities at 147 agreed, but I'm not so sure his body can handle being in fighting shape at 147 and still be effective. Hatton should fight where he is comfortable.
If he had an opportunity to properly train for 147 and grow into it, that fight may change my opinion, but the only thing
I have to go on at 147 is Collazo, and I agree that wasn't even close to being the same Ricky from 140.

[Tam Seddon]

Ill tell you what if this fight was such a big issue then why didnt it happen straight after the tszyu fight? both were champs undeafted and hungry. Ill tell you this Hatton has made the wrong choice going back down to 140 imo! he should be looking for the bigger fights and keeping up with the fighters he should be fighting. Im not 100% sure about this one but have any of these 2 fighters called each other out? Imo cottos record wont stay undeafted if he goes for Margarito

I disagree, Hatton should stay at 140, there are very tempting opportunities at 147 agreed, but I'm not so sure his body can handle being in fighting shape at 147 and still be effective. Hatton should fight where he is comfortable.
If he had an opportunity to properly train for 147 and grow into it, that fight may change my opinion, but the only thing
I have to go on at 147 is Collazo, and I agree that wasn't even close to being the same Ricky from 140.

Thing is Greg he only had 6 weeks so it would be tough. If you did something first time you cant always say its not always going to be perfect. Hatton fought at 140 all his life so i change would be different and until hatton can cope with this change there is little point in him fighting.

Imo i would prefer hatton to fight (and maybe lose) at 147 against the big boys (cotto, mayweather etc) but atleast he is showing us he is trying and he can go out swinging. I would prefer to see this to him staying at 140 and in MOST! cases winning safely. A fight with cotto at 147 would secure him a fat wage! why doesnt he go for him? he has a chance of course he does. Hatton imo should haven taken his mandatory against whatever his name was orkal is it? and then seen how it had gone after that. Luiz was a tough fight, until we know more about him and see him in another big name fight we cant fully judge him. But hatton still won the fight against somebody who had been fighting at 147 a lot longer than himself. Hatton was the challenger as well and i think some of you forget this. At the end of the day hatton won the fight and what a dumb thing he has done going back to 140

[Gandalf]

Ill tell you what if this fight was such a big issue then why didnt it happen straight after the tszyu fight? both were champs undeafted and hungry. Ill tell you this Hatton has made the wrong choice going back down to 140 imo! he should be looking for the bigger fights and keeping up with the fighters he should be fighting. Im not 100% sure about this one but have any of these 2 fighters called each other out? Imo cottos record wont stay undeafted if he goes for Margarito

I disagree, Hatton should stay at 140, there are very tempting opportunities at 147 agreed, but I'm not so sure his body can handle being in fighting shape at 147 and still be effective. Hatton should fight where he is comfortable.
If he had an opportunity to properly train for 147 and grow into it, that fight may change my opinion, but the only thing
I have to go on at 147 is Collazo, and I agree that wasn't even close to being the same Ricky from 140.

Thing is Greg he only had 6 weeks so it would be tough. If you did something first time you cant always say its not always going to be perfect. Hatton fought at 140 all his life so i change would be different and until hatton can cope with this change there is little point in him fighting.

Imo i would prefer hatton to fight (and maybe lose) at 147 against the big boys (cotto, mayweather etc) but atleast he is showing us he is trying and he can go out swinging. I would prefer to see this to him staying at 140 and in MOST! cases winning safely. A fight with cotto at 147 would secure him a fat wage! why doesnt he go for him? he has a chance of course he does. Hatton imo should haven taken his mandatory against whatever his name was orkal is it? and then seen how it had gone after that. Luiz was a tough fight, until we know more about him and see him in another big name fight we cant fully judge him. But hatton still won the fight against somebody who had been fighting at 147 a lot longer than himself. Hatton was the challenger as well and i think some of you forget this. At the end of the day hatton won the fight and what a dumb thing he has done going back to 140

very well argued

[Steelie]

Had to check boxrec to see if he came in over, there are no weights listed for his fight against Branco, so it's possible it was that one, but all of his other fights he was within the limit. As for why he didn't move up sooner, you are not going to find this answer here. You need to ask his peeps why he did that. Try the Miguel Cotto fan board.

I've been a member there for ages...they won't know either. Maybe Rolando might, but the questions hypothetical anyway. I put it to you that he didn't move up because he simply wasn't ready to mix with the fighters that were hanging at 147 at the time. It's a lot easier to say 'there was no one left decent to fight at 140 so we made the best of it' than it is to say 'he's still learning and isn't ready for the big boys yet'...

After all of this on here, I will state the following:

Cotto destroys Hatton at 147, just my opinion, and I'm entitled to it.
Cotto beats Hatton at 140, if it's not in Manchester and provided Cotto could make weight.
Both guys destroy Vivian Harris at 140 or 147.

The reason I bring up the Manchester thing is this. Fighters there are allowed to get away with things, that aren't allowed in other countries. Hatton has had only experience fighting there (Collazo fight, the exception of course), his style is based on being able to make those exceptions. When those things are taken away, he doesn't have the advatages anymore. It makes it more difficult for him to apply pressure when he can't hold and hit as much.

Surely you're not that naive?

This is not a knock on the Manchester boxing people, all places have hometown judges, all places let some things pass. So I guess since I can't answer your question about Cotto not stepping up to 147 earlier, I will simply pose a question to you. Why didn't Hatton leave the UK sooner?

Simple...for the same reason Miguel fights wherever he can draw the biggest crowd - $$$$

[Tam Seddon]

Ill tell you what if this fight was such a big issue then why didnt it happen straight after the tszyu fight? both were champs undeafted and hungry. Ill tell you this Hatton has made the wrong choice going back down to 140 imo! he should be looking for the bigger fights and keeping up with the fighters he should be fighting. Im not 100% sure about this one but have any of these 2 fighters called each other out? Imo cottos record wont stay undeafted if he goes for Margarito

I disagree, Hatton should stay at 140, there are very tempting opportunities at 147 agreed, but I'm not so sure his body can handle being in fighting shape at 147 and still be effective. Hatton should fight where he is comfortable.
If he had an opportunity to properly train for 147 and grow into it, that fight may change my opinion, but the only thing
I have to go on at 147 is Collazo, and I agree that wasn't even close to being the same Ricky from 140.

Thing is Greg he only had 6 weeks so it would be tough. If you did something first time you cant always say its not always going to be perfect. Hatton fought at 140 all his life so i change would be different and until hatton can cope with this change there is little point in him fighting.

Imo i would prefer hatton to fight (and maybe lose) at 147 against the big boys (cotto, mayweather etc) but atleast he is showing us he is trying and he can go out swinging. I would prefer to see this to him staying at 140 and in MOST! cases winning safely. A fight with cotto at 147 would secure him a fat wage! why doesnt he go for him? he has a chance of course he does. Hatton imo should haven taken his mandatory against whatever his name was orkal is it? and then seen how it had gone after that. Luiz was a tough fight, until we know more about him and see him in another big name fight we cant fully judge him. But hatton still won the fight against somebody who had been fighting at 147 a lot longer than himself. Hatton was the challenger as well and i think some of you forget this. At the end of the day hatton won the fight and what a dumb thing he has done going back to 140

very well argued

cc back miles nearly on 100 now! but hatton really does need to think before he could make the biggest mistake of his life...with legacy etc!

[ElTerribleMorales]

Based on there last fights. Cotto has Hatton in a hospital by the 3rd round

LMAO,Hatton is a tough tough guy,surely you think he would last longer? He was able to take Tszyu's shots? (WTF am I semi defending Ricky?! ) Hatton also maintains a relentless pace and has good bodyshots,my ONLY worry would be whether the pace would be too much for Cotto? That's the only Q I have left for my boy.

IMO at 147 Cotto would win the fight pretty easy and pretty quick, Collazo has no real power and wobbled Hatton badly, Cotto is IMO a bigger puncher than all, Tzyu, Collazo, and even Ricky Hatton, at 140 Hatton would last until the later rounds and probably get stopped but could possibly survive to loose by decision, but at 147 Cotto will break Hatton's body, mangle his face, and then leave with another win on his record

[Gandalf]

Ill tell you what if this fight was such a big issue then why didnt it happen straight after the tszyu fight? both were champs undeafted and hungry. Ill tell you this Hatton has made the wrong choice going back down to 140 imo! he should be looking for the bigger fights and keeping up with the fighters he should be fighting. Im not 100% sure about this one but have any of these 2 fighters called each other out? Imo cottos record wont stay undeafted if he goes for Margarito

I disagree, Hatton should stay at 140, there are very tempting opportunities at 147 agreed, but I'm not so sure his body can handle being in fighting shape at 147 and still be effective. Hatton should fight where he is comfortable.
If he had an opportunity to properly train for 147 and grow into it, that fight may change my opinion, but the only thing
I have to go on at 147 is Collazo, and I agree that wasn't even close to being the same Ricky from 140.

Thing is Greg he only had 6 weeks so it would be tough. If you did something first time you cant always say its not always going to be perfect. Hatton fought at 140 all his life so i change would be different and until hatton can cope with this change there is little point in him fighting.

Imo i would prefer hatton to fight (and maybe lose) at 147 against the big boys (cotto, mayweather etc) but atleast he is showing us he is trying and he can go out swinging. I would prefer to see this to him staying at 140 and in MOST! cases winning safely. A fight with cotto at 147 would secure him a fat wage! why doesnt he go for him? he has a chance of course he does. Hatton imo should haven taken his mandatory against whatever his name was orkal is it? and then seen how it had gone after that. Luiz was a tough fight, until we know more about him and see him in another big name fight we cant fully judge him. But hatton still won the fight against somebody who had been fighting at 147 a lot longer than himself. Hatton was the challenger as well and i think some of you forget this. At the end of the day hatton won the fight and what a dumb thing he has done going back to 140

very well argued

cc back miles nearly on 100 now! but hatton really does need to think before he could make the biggest mistake of his life...with legacy etc!

Doing good, mate!!

I am a Hatton fan, but the whole going up to 147 and then having a tricky fight and going immediately back down again....well, it reeks of conservatism. As you say why not try out against the mandatory with more time to fill into the weight? But, no. Straight back down to 140 to fight....who exactly

[killersheep]

Had to check boxrec to see if he came in over, there are no weights listed for his fight against Branco, so it's possible it was that one, but all of his other fights he was within the limit. As for why he didn't move up sooner, you are not going to find this answer here. You need to ask his peeps why he did that. Try the Miguel Cotto fan board.

I've been a member there for ages...they won't know either. Maybe Rolando might, but the questions hypothetical anyway. I put it to you that he didn't move up because he simply wasn't ready to mix with the fighters that were hanging at 147 at the time. It's a lot easier to say 'there was no one left decent to fight at 140 so we made the best of it' than it is to say 'he's still learning and isn't ready for the big boys yet'...

I have no problem if the reason was he isn't ready yet, the guy was only 24 at the time you're talkin and only had
what 22 fights?

After all of this on here, I will state the following:

Cotto destroys Hatton at 147, just my opinion, and I'm entitled to it.
Cotto beats Hatton at 140, if it's not in Manchester and provided Cotto could make weight.
Both guys destroy Vivian Harris at 140 or 147.

The reason I bring up the Manchester thing is this. Fighters there are allowed to get away with things, that aren't allowed in other countries. Hatton has had only experience fighting there (Collazo fight, the exception of course), his style is based on being able to make those exceptions. When those things are taken away, he doesn't have the advatages anymore. It makes it more difficult for him to apply pressure when he can't hold and hit as much.

Surely you're not that naive?

Prove me wrong then............show me a fight where Hatton doesn't hold and hit and I'll cecede the point.

This is not a knock on the Manchester boxing people, all places have hometown judges, all places let some things pass. So I guess since I can't answer your question about Cotto not stepping up to 147 earlier, I will simply pose a question to you. Why didn't Hatton leave the UK sooner?

Simple...for the same reason Miguel fights wherever he can draw the biggest crowd - $$$$
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But after beating Tszyu, doesn't that give him a bigger opportunity on the world market? Or do you pass on that opportunity and keep it at home?

[ElTerribleMorales]

Miguels biggest draw would be MSG, not Atlantic City, or he could even play the Calderon card and just fight in PR, where it would be a sure-fire sellout and crazy PPV buys, but no, he flys over to New Jersey or wherever the hell the fight is not like Ricky who has had about 80% of his fights in Manchester

[Tam Seddon]

Ill tell you what if this fight was such a big issue then why didnt it happen straight after the tszyu fight? both were champs undeafted and hungry. Ill tell you this Hatton has made the wrong choice going back down to 140 imo! he should be looking for the bigger fights and keeping up with the fighters he should be fighting. Im not 100% sure about this one but have any of these 2 fighters called each other out? Imo cottos record wont stay undeafted if he goes for Margarito

I disagree, Hatton should stay at 140, there are very tempting opportunities at 147 agreed, but I'm not so sure his body can handle being in fighting shape at 147 and still be effective. Hatton should fight where he is comfortable.
If he had an opportunity to properly train for 147 and grow into it, that fight may change my opinion, but the only thing
I have to go on at 147 is Collazo, and I agree that wasn't even close to being the same Ricky from 140.

Thing is Greg he only had 6 weeks so it would be tough. If you did something first time you cant always say its not always going to be perfect. Hatton fought at 140 all his life so i change would be different and until hatton can cope with this change there is little point in him fighting.

Imo i would prefer hatton to fight (and maybe lose) at 147 against the big boys (cotto, mayweather etc) but atleast he is showing us he is trying and he can go out swinging. I would prefer to see this to him staying at 140 and in MOST! cases winning safely. A fight with cotto at 147 would secure him a fat wage! why doesnt he go for him? he has a chance of course he does. Hatton imo should haven taken his mandatory against whatever his name was orkal is it? and then seen how it had gone after that. Luiz was a tough fight, until we know more about him and see him in another big name fight we cant fully judge him. But hatton still won the fight against somebody who had been fighting at 147 a lot longer than himself. Hatton was the challenger as well and i think some of you forget this. At the end of the day hatton won the fight and what a dumb thing he has done going back to 140

very well argued

cc back miles nearly on 100 now! but hatton really does need to think before he could make the biggest mistake of his life...with legacy etc!

Doing good, mate!!

I am a Hatton fan, but the whole going up to 147 and then having a tricky fight and going immediately back down again....well, it reeks of conservatism. As you say why not try out against the mandatory with more time to fill into the weight? But, no. Straight back down to 140 to fight....who exactly

Yer we all know he SHOULD! beat Urango but what is it leading onto.....a beefed up castillo/corraless.....it dont mean shit imo.......fighting cotto/mayweather does....even if he does lose im sure he wont get the shit beaten out of him. he really needs to think wisely. If we see a destruction of Urango I feel hatton should make his way up asap and slot him self in there.

[Gandalf]

Ill tell you what if this fight was such a big issue then why didnt it happen straight after the tszyu fight? both were champs undeafted and hungry. Ill tell you this Hatton has made the wrong choice going back down to 140 imo! he should be looking for the bigger fights and keeping up with the fighters he should be fighting. Im not 100% sure about this one but have any of these 2 fighters called each other out? Imo cottos record wont stay undeafted if he goes for Margarito

I disagree, Hatton should stay at 140, there are very tempting opportunities at 147 agreed, but I'm not so sure his body can handle being in fighting shape at 147 and still be effective. Hatton should fight where he is comfortable.
If he had an opportunity to properly train for 147 and grow into it, that fight may change my opinion, but the only thing
I have to go on at 147 is Collazo, and I agree that wasn't even close to being the same Ricky from 140.

Thing is Greg he only had 6 weeks so it would be tough. If you did something first time you cant always say its not always going to be perfect. Hatton fought at 140 all his life so i change would be different and until hatton can cope with this change there is little point in him fighting.

Imo i would prefer hatton to fight (and maybe lose) at 147 against the big boys (cotto, mayweather etc) but atleast he is showing us he is trying and he can go out swinging. I would prefer to see this to him staying at 140 and in MOST! cases winning safely. A fight with cotto at 147 would secure him a fat wage! why doesnt he go for him? he has a chance of course he does. Hatton imo should haven taken his mandatory against whatever his name was orkal is it? and then seen how it had gone after that. Luiz was a tough fight, until we know more about him and see him in another big name fight we cant fully judge him. But hatton still won the fight against somebody who had been fighting at 147 a lot longer than himself. Hatton was the challenger as well and i think some of you forget this. At the end of the day hatton won the fight and what a dumb thing he has done going back to 140

very well argued

cc back miles nearly on 100 now! but hatton really does need to think before he could make the biggest mistake of his life...with legacy etc!

Doing good, mate!!

I am a Hatton fan, but the whole going up to 147 and then having a tricky fight and going immediately back down again....well, it reeks of conservatism. As you say why not try out against the mandatory with more time to fill into the weight? But, no. Straight back down to 140 to fight....who exactly

Yer we all know he SHOULD! beat Urango but what is it leading onto.....a beefed up castillo/corraless.....it dont mean S*** imo.......fighting cotto/mayweather does....even if he does lose im sure he wont get the S*** beaten out of him. he really needs to think wisely. If we see a destruction of Urango I feel hatton should make his way up asap and slot him self in there.

I agree. Hatton is never going going to get a PBF fight. He can beat these beefed up smaller guys in his sleep. Risks are what earn respect and Hatton is now taking few risks! And isnt that one of the reasons he left the Warren camp for?

Its bizarre that you would win a belt at a higher weight and then just move down!

Im a Hatton fan but that really is what fuels these flames. Hatton has lost a lot of respect! Its as simple as...

[Steelie]

Prove me wrong then............sho w me a fight where Hatton doesn't hold and hit and I'll cecede the point.

Tackie.

But, with respect, I'm guessing you've not see that many of Ricks fights otherwise you'd know that Rick isn't a dirty fighter at all.

Miguels biggest draw would be MSG, not Atlantic City, or he could even play the Calderon card and just fight in PR, where it would be a sure-fire sellout and crazy PPV buys, but no, he flys over to New Jersey or wherever the hell the fight is not like Ricky who has had about 80% of his fights in Manchester

errrrm...Miguel has fought at MSG and in his native Puerto Rico. He's gone to Atlantic city because it's not far from NY (with it's PR population) and there's a shitload of gatti fans looking for a new hero.

So back to my original statement; he's fighting where the money is (not because he's prepared to travel).

Ricky, equally has fought in the UK because he's a massive draw.

It's not that hard to understand.