How does Mayweather Jr do against some past greats?

[Lords Gym]

El Gamo, wtf? Who says PBF beats Herans. I didn't. I said Herans beats PBF.

Floyd Mayweather at 146 vs Thomas Hearns at 145 = W Floyd Mayweather 12 Un D JMO

[El Kabong]

So in summary, I see he following:

PBF vs. SRL: SRL by UD

PBF vs. Thomas Hearns: Hearns by UD or MD

PBF vs. Duran: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Arguello: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Pryor: Too close to call

Styles make fights and that’s what’s key here.

I understand your point of view and it's a good one

HOWEVER

I disagree with your choices on the Duran, Hearns, and Arguello fights.

I think Duran would be the PERFECT foil for Floyd. He's the master of head games, Duran spat on Ray Leonard's kids and wife and called them names and he was just a mean man....Floyd has never had to deal with that kind of animal. I think those prefight tactics draw Floyd into a brawl and Duran wins....especially at 130-140.

I think Tommy Hearns' size and hand speed give Floyd fits.....Tommy was able to drill Ray Leonard and I think if you can catch Ray Leonard you can catch Floyd Mayweather and I don't think Floyd takes as good of a punch as Ray did.

I think from 135-140 Arguello is in too deep and Floyd is able to wear him down and stop him late.


As for Ray Robinson ....Sugar destroys Floyd Mayweather Jr.....he was too big, too fast, too good, and too powerful. Ray carried his power all the way up to middleweight from 130!!!! And not to mention he was just the freaking best boxer ever to grace the earth

[Taeth]

I think Mayweather beats any of the guys you mentioned... Also NOBODY would give Mayweather a brutal beating from what I've seen so far from his career... NOBODY his speed, defense are far to good for anybody to land more than the odd shot on him.

Have you even watched a fight earlier than 1995?

Ray Leonard and Hearns would both murder Floyd, too big. Duran would be the ultimate pressure fight for him, Pryor, Arguello, Benitez all would be tough fights.

It may suprise you to know that boxers actually had skills over 10 years ago Taeth.

I acknowledge that past boxers have great skill, but they also had more holes in their abilities, but I am not sure if you've boxed or not, but alot of them have holes in their game that Mayweather has less of... 98% of boxing fans underestimate current fighters.

[gyrokai]

So in summary, I see he following:

PBF vs. SRL: SRL by UD

PBF vs. Thomas Hearns: Hearns by UD or MD

PBF vs. Duran: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Arguello: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Pryor: Too close to call

Styles make fights and that’s what’s key here.

I understand your point of view and it's a good one

HOWEVER

I disagree with your choices on the Duran, Hearns, and Arguello fights.

I think Duran would be the PERFECT foil for Floyd. He's the master of head games, Duran spat on Ray Leonard's kids and wife and called them names and he was just a mean man....Floyd has never had to deal with that kind of animal. I think those prefight tactics draw Floyd into a brawl and Duran wins....especially at 130-140.

I think Tommy Hearns' size and hand speed give Floyd fits.....Tommy was able to drill Ray Leonard and I think if you can catch Ray Leonard you can catch Floyd Mayweather and I don't think Floyd takes as good of a punch as Ray did.

I think from 135-140 Arguello is in too deep and Floyd is able to wear him down and stop him late.


As for Ray Robinson ....Sugar destroys Floyd Mayweather Jr.....he was too big, too fast, too good, and too powerful. Ray carried his power all the way up to middleweight from 130!!!! And not to mention he was just the freaking best boxer ever to grace the earth

I forgot about the mindgames Duran played. Definitely Floyd would have fallen for the bait. Geez, Floyd cries when Larry asks him about the crowd's reaction toward the fight. heh

[Taeth]

Here are things I think he could exploit

1. Thomas Hearns: Mayweather could get in on TOmmy, and Tommy can't fight on the inside. I think that at Welterweight though he hit hard Tommy wasn't physically strong in that he couldn't push around boxers. I say also that Mayweather could eventually knock out Tommy with an accumalation of blows... especially at Welterweight where Hearns had no legs whatsover.
2. Duran: Too hesitant, and defensive, Mayweather would be able to pick him off on the outside. Eventually Duran would get frustrated and either quit or become wild and Mayweather would pick him apart even more.
3. Leonard has amazing reflexes, and speed, but he doesn't have great defense... He would be like watching the old Roy JOnes Jr. who didn't have defensive skills as much as athletic ability. THe problem is that Mayweather has both, and he slips seemlessly from offensive to defense and vice virsa... Leonard would have a very hard time hitting Mayweather, and footwork would eliminate his combinations which I think Mayweather could avoid for the most part on the inside anyways. And though Mayweather is as hard of a puncher as Leonard he is more or less as strong.
4. Hagler: would walk through anything Mayweather could throw, and would probably knock him out with body shots.
5. Pryor: isn't as good as Duran IMO, and would have perhaps even more problems than Duran with Mayweather, though I don't think he would give up as soon against Mayweather, and it would be a tough fight which I think Mayweather would win the majority of the rounds.

Here are reaons I think he would lose.
Hearns: great boxer on the outside, good speed/reflexes, and hits too hard for PBF to handle from what I've seen with his right cross landing cleanly.
2: Mayweather doesn't use his legs as much as Leonard at welterweight, and Duran is quick in his own right so Mayweather may not be able to get away from Duran like did, also he doesn't hit as hard as Leonard so he may not be able to keep Duran off him.
3. Leonard is almost as fast, but a natural welterweight, and is a harder hitter than Mayweather... If Mayweather tried to prove himself by comming forward like he did against Corley I think he would lose.
4. Hagler: wins pretty much everytime how I see it... he is too big.
5. Pryor is relentless. Can take anything PBF can dish out, and he cracks like mofo.

[Taeth]

Did someone say that fighters are better today because they have video?

Taeth - sorry mate, you are looking at the sport now without even considering that someone who did not have video, modern conditioning, nutrition etc etc would be much much better than you see them in the 50's on crap quality film.

When you say that Robinson had 'no defence at all' - that doesn't wash because most people who know anything about boxing know that is simply not true.

I don't know how old you are, but I wonder if your thoughts will change when you are 40 and it's all younger fighters and people saying how much better they ALL are than PBF because olympic athletes run faster?

Either than footwork Robinson didn't have defence. He didn't really have his hands up, and he didn't use his shoulder... He threw good combinations, but they weren't anything special considering the guys he fought didn't have head movement or were even close to as fast as him. As for quality being crappy, I've seen Robinson fights that are 600+mb, and are clear as day. Also I am 19, and recognize that people become attached to favorites, and thus think none of the knew guys are as good, but I don't necessarily like Mayweather more than Leonard who is also a fighter I greatly admire, and same with Hearns or Duran.

[Taeth]

So in summary, I see he following:

PBF vs. SRL: SRL by UD

PBF vs. Thomas Hearns: Hearns by UD or MD

PBF vs. Duran: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Arguello: PBF by UD

PBF vs. Pryor: Too close to call

Styles make fights and that’s what’s key here.

I understand your point of view and it's a good one

HOWEVER

I disagree with your choices on the Duran, Hearns, and Arguello fights.

I think Duran would be the PERFECT foil for Floyd. He's the master of head games, Duran spat on Ray Leonard's kids and wife and called them names and he was just a mean man....Floyd has never had to deal with that kind of animal. I think those prefight tactics draw Floyd into a brawl and Duran wins....especially at 130-140.

I think Tommy Hearns' size and hand speed give Floyd fits.....Tommy was able to drill Ray Leonard and I think if you can catch Ray Leonard you can catch Floyd Mayweather and I don't think Floyd takes as good of a punch as Ray did.

I think from 135-140 Arguello is in too deep and Floyd is able to wear him down and stop him late.


As for Ray Robinson ....Sugar destroys Floyd Mayweather Jr.....he was too big, too fast, too good, and too powerful. Ray carried his power all the way up to middleweight from 130!!!! And not to mention he was just the freaking best boxer ever to grace the earth

Leonard didn't have Mayweather's defense so saying Hearns could hit Leonard means he could hit Mayweather simply isn't true. Also Mayweather is a smart fighter, and Duran could get Mayweather fight him, but he wouldn't get Mayweather to let down his guard, and just go shot for shot with him... look at the Judah fight... MAyweather didn't lose his mind he just went about business as usual.

[El Kabong]

Judah couldn't back up his shit talking....Duran could!

Ray Leonard had a decent defense but I was talking about footwork...Hearns was able to stalk Leonard down and in doing that he'd be able to stalk Floyd down.

Taeth, Sugar Ray Robinson had some of the best footwork EVER as for his combinations not being special...his power was one punch power at the begining of his career on up to middleweight. Gene Fullmer was no shmoe and Robinson landed one hook right on the jaw and sat Gene down for 10....Floyd hasn't done that in a LOOOOOOONG time...you need to study up on the greats of boxing

[tedsares]

Lyle, did I not say the exact thing you said? How can you disagree?

[tedsares]

Taeth, I boxed for nine years from 1959-1959 as an amature on the midwest ciruiy fighting mostly in and around Chicago. :P

[tedsares]

The left hook Sugar iced Fullmer with was one of those once in a career punches. He did not do that with all that many others, so it should be vied in the proper context. IMO oF COURSE, IT WAS A THING OF BEAUTY!!!!!

[Kev]

bilbo, i AM 69 YEARS OLD FOR CHRIST SAKES, YEAH, I HAVE WATCHED A FEW THOUSNAD FIGHTS! :

Hey Ted, sorry mate I never said anything about you buddy I was talking to Taeth.

Glad you have watched a few thousand fights, just a shame that at 69 you probably can't remember any of them

[Taeth]

Judah couldn't back up his S*** talking....Duran could!

Ray Leonard had a decent defense but I was talking about footwork...Hearns was able to stalk Leonard down and in doing that he'd be able to stalk Floyd down.

Taeth, Sugar Ray Robinson had some of the best footwork EVER as for his combinations not being special...his power was one punch power at the begining of his career on up to middleweight. Gene Fullmer was no shmoe and Robinson landed one hook right on the jaw and sat Gene down for 10....Floyd hasn't done that in a LOOOOOOONG time...you need to study up on the greats of boxing

OMG, Ray Robinson had one good punch against Gene Fulmer, that wasn't his average fight... And IT WAS A LEFT hook so maybe you should study up. Also I never commented on his punch power, which for the most part was more him either landing a 8 punch combination on a defenseless fighter or wearing down an opponent like he did Lamotta in their last fight. Robinson did have good footwork, and I said that, but that was his only source of defense either than good reflexes... him, Leonard weren't any better than Roy Jones Jr. in that sense only Ray was slower than Roy, and had way less power. Anyways, I don't believe that Robinson could knock out Floyd with one punch because he would never catch him so open. And I think Judah causes more problems stylewise than Duran because he is so fast, and a skilled boxer, and can crack(though DUran hit harder than Judah).

[Taeth]

Taeth, I boxed for nine years from 1959-1959 as an amature on the midwest ciruiy fighting mostly in and around Chicago. :P

Thats great, but I wasn't talking about you in particular who is questioning my knowledge of boxing. I am not saying my answers are right to anyone, but that they are my opinion, and to me they are right. I too have watched thousands of fights, and I've watched many of the great fights 15-20 times at least... and thats in about the spand of 4 years.

[tedsares]

bilbo (or is it Dildo), bugger off!