Quote Originally Posted by landmine950
Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise
He's a bum plain and simple. And anybody who saw his fight against the mediocre Larry Donald knows Donald deserved the win.
Larry Donald was good enough to go 10 against Vitali Klitschko but when he goes aginst Valuev now he's "mediocre" ??
HHM.. 115-113 & 117-112?, sounds like a fairly decisive win.

Clifford Etienne was good enough to fight Brock who fought for the HW championship against Klitschko,another stiff i suppose?

John Ruiz?? What? 12 title fights? suppose he's no good either? or was that really another "BAD WIN" for Valuev?

Owen beck @ 25-2?? another bum? Just had a split decision loss
(One judge had it 115-113 for Beck)
to Ray Austin who everyone seems to think is all that.

Monte Barrett?? Win over Dominic Guinn and 12 round decision loss to Rahman?? a "BUM" too?? or another "phoney" win for the giant??

Whats the guy gotta do to earn SOME respect??
Jameel McCline has wins over Lance Whitaker,and some guy named Shannon Briggs....oh ya he's the current WBO Heavywieght Champion of the world!!, oh ya and Wladamir Klitschko took 10 rounds to get Jameel out of there! HE went 12 and then 10 with Byrd and Brock as well. So Jameel has some credentials.
Will Valuevs win over him mean anything?? Maybe its some kind of conspiracy?? to give freaky big men phoney wins??
Ya gotta give the guy some props!
If he beats McCline and you still say he's a bum. Then your an Idiot
ruiz got beat twice by natrual middleweights but toney tested postive for something but still samething would of happened and also ruiz went 1-1-1 with an old shot holyfield he also got koed by tua in like 30 seconds

larry donald got shutout by riddick bowe like 11 rounds to 1 when valuev fought larry donald he fought him 3 years after the fight with vitali plus he was 38 and only just lost md to valuev

Clifford Etienne got sparked out in 1st round against shot tyson enuff said

ray austin i dont even need to say about him he is a bum