Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Quote Originally Posted by landmine950
Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise
He's a bum plain and simple. And anybody who saw his fight against the mediocre Larry Donald knows Donald deserved the win.
Larry Donald was good enough to go 10 against Vitali Klitschko but when he goes against Valuev now he's "mediocre" ??
HHM.. 115-113 & 117-112?, sounds like a fairly decisive win.

Clifford Etienne was good enough to fight Brock who fought for the HW championship against Klitschko,another stiff i suppose?

John Ruiz?? What? 12 title fights? suppose he's no good either? or was that really another "BAD WIN" for Valuev?

Owen beck @ 25-2?? another bum? Just had a split decision loss
(One judge had it 115-113 for Beck)
to Ray Austin who everyone seems to think is all that.

Monte Barrett?? Win over Dominic Guinn and 12 round decision loss to Rahman?? a "BUM" too?? or another "phony" win for the giant??

Whats the guy gotta do to earn SOME respect??
Jameel McCline has wins over Lance Whitaker,and some guy named Shannon Briggs....oh ya he's the current WBO Heavyweight Champion of the world!!, oh ya and Wladamir Klitschko took 10 rounds to get Jameel out of there! HE went 12 and then 10 with Byrd and Brock as well. So Jameel has some credentials.
Will Valuev's win over him mean anything?? Maybe its some kind of conspiracy?? to give freaky big men phony wins??
Ya gotta give the guy some props!
If he beats McCline and you still say he's a bum. Then your an Idiot
Larry Donald: I noticed you typed "115-113 & 117-112?, sounds like a fairly decisive win". Did you even see the fight? I doubt you did.

Clifford Etienne: So just cuz Etienne fought Brock, that makes him good? Repeat that S*** out loud and tell it don't sound moronic

John Ruiz: A lot of people (including Ring magazine) had Ruiz winning the fight

Owen Beck: Never ever use a "split decision loss" to Ray Austin as a good thing again. You should be F****** embarrassed.

Monte Barrett: A decent fighter who was coming off a non-effort lost to Rahman. Also a fighter who's not a puncher and stands 9 inches shorter than Valuev. I'm not impressed

Jameel McCline: Just might be boxing's softest fighter. Didn't he lose to Zuri Lawrence, not to long ago? Yeah Zuri Lawrence, the muthafucka with 0 knock outs on his record. Yet you think he's a good fighter.

Damn this was to F****** easy. Anyway, you want Valuev to get some credit. Tell him to go fight Wladimir Klitschko, Samuel Peter, James Toney or Calvin Brock. Hell I'll even settle for Oleg Maskaev or Hasim Rahman. Anybody but used up bums like McCline and Beck. If anything what the F*** is he doing fighting McCline anyway? Ruslan Chagaev is the number one contender. He should be fighting him.


Larry Donald - A win. please notice the spelling..
if you add a "H" and an "E" it becomes a "whine" which is what your doing about Larry's loss

Ettiene- WBA figured he deserved a shot at the WBA Inter Continental Championship, but what the hey, doesn't everyone get that? and after all what does the WBA know about boxing anyway?

Ruiz- Oh ya, falling back on the "he didn't "REALLY" win that win" argument. sorry.....valuev beat him. plain and simple.

Beck- The Austin fight,the close split decision was for the IBF #2 spot! Oh let me guess..the IBF are morons too??

Barrett- His last fight a decision Loss to Rahman (one of you picks for Valuev to prove himself against) was for the WBA championship!
Of course hes not a puncher,hence no KO's in his record (huh?? what?? 17?? KO's?) oh ya and the name TWO GUNS cuz he can hit with eitherhand
oh ya your not impressed cuz hes shorter than valuev. HEY buddy WAKE UP!
every fighter in the f#ckin world is shorter than Valuev!

McCline -was good enough to give a 12 round go to Byrd the longest belt holder in recent record. Fight was for the IBF championship and went to a split decision!








Fighters earn credibility based on who they have fought. That is self evident. If fighter “A” fights fighter “B” and you say that fighter “A” is great. Then if I fight fighter “B” with a similar or better outcome, I earn some credibility. Obviously all fighters can't all fight at the same time. Hence the “NOW” is impossible without a STAR TREK holodeck.

You say Valuev will get some credit if he fights certain fighters who you name
Klitschko,Peter,Toney,Brock,Maskaev,Rahman and finally the #1 contender Chagaev.
These fighters have earned credibility in your opinion. HOW? By who they have fought in their careers of course!

Lets see.

Klitschko – Fought McCline & Barrett!

Toney – Just fought Ruiz for WBA/IBA belt last year!

Brock – Just fought Zuri Lawrance! WWOOO!!! Oh and McCline

Rahman- Monte Barrett, a lose to Ruiz and a loss to Holyfield who was just beaten by Larry Donald

Get it?? Donald just Beat Holyfield who beat Rahman (remember Valuev beat Donald!)

Maskeav? Last title fight against Peter Okhello! Now there’s a credibility building fight!
Maskeav lost to Lance Whitaker who McCline beat!

And the clincher?? Chagaev..who did he beat to “solidify” his #1 Contender ranking

Ruiz!!! The guy Valuev just beat!!

You cant look back on 44 wins and say over and over “oh they weren't real wins” or make some other excuse,thats just stupid.
The guys that Valuev has beaten have over 600 combined wins!
He’s got wins against some top guys. Guys who have been in with the very best. Again. I’m not saying he’s the best in the world.
All I'm saying is “VALUEV IS NO JOKE”