Hopkins vs. Trinidad

[oakleyno1]

just watched the fight, i think its possibly the performance of the decade by a middleweight boxer , truely surprised me just how good he fought in that fight, looked unbeatable

opinons on if roy jones had fought him on that night?

[Wayne]

Roy was still in his prime at that point. He probably would have made B-hop look slow and easily outpointed him on the way to victory.

[Majesty]

just watched the fight, i think its possibly the performance of the decade by a middleweight boxer , truely surprised me just how good he fought in that fight, looked unbeatable

opinons on if roy jones had fought him on that night?

Roy would have won. Roy was looking spectacular too. Remember the uppercut he caught otis grant with that made him do a reverse somersault on his back?

And Hopkins had Trinidad in front of him, it would be very different if Roy was in front of him.

[Tito BHB]

Roy was still in his prime at that point. He probably would have made B-hop look slow and easily outpointed him on the way to victory.

Disagree..
Yeh roy was still prime but i say it would have panned out same as they're first fight..
Roy was obviously winning most rounds but it was by no means an easy fight..
Bhop was in the fight and not bieng outclassed but couldnt do anything to take the majority of rounds..
I dont believe the fight would have differed much if it had of happened that night.. Possibly a bit closer for bernard but i doubt he would have got the win.
But to oakley i know what you mean man.. Bernard was just hustling at its finest that night ,
stayed patient.. stuck to his style and by the later rounds there was hardly any will to win left for trinidad.. he kept having to ask papa trinidad am i winning.. a certain sign of uncertainty..
I was pissed that felix sr kept telling tito yes you are winning..
if he had of said to tito maybe three or so rounds from the end.. look tito.. you need a knockout.. then maybe it might have gone differently .. we all know that tito had hands of stone so it was worth a go in all fairness!
Peace

[Majesty]

If he told Tito he needed a knockout then Tito would have been caught with that right counter hook off his left a lot sooner and probably would have been stopped sooner then he was.

And Roy fought Hopkins the first time with a broken right hand didnt he

[Tito BHB]

If he told Tito he needed a knockout then Tito would have been caught with that right counter hook off his left a lot sooner and probably would have been stopped sooner then he was.

And Roy fought Hopkins the first time with a broken right hand didnt he

Lol as far as im aware i have a feeling he did...
I could go check..But looking through a 20 odd disc career set with unmarked discs doesnt sounds too apealing right now my friend.. lol can't gaurentee that for you :P
Peace

[Preme]

never would hopkins been able to touch RJJ in his prime, ever. Jones was to fast, to strong and a much better boxer than hopkins. Don't forget tito was out of his depth at MW.

[GAME]

In their primes I think Jones had tat bit too much speed . He was the best fighter from this generation TBH . Superb and if anyone ever looked unbeatable it was him .

Now though if you ask Tarver who would win , it would be NC . Hopkins wins hands down . Jones may even be knocked out by the ring ring crafty defensive genuis Bernard Hopkins . I wouldnt mind seeing a return but Hopkins would be a pretty big favourite

[Bookkeeper]

never would hopkins been able to touch RJJ in his prime, ever. Jones was to fast, to strong and a much better boxer than hopkins. Don't forget tito was out of his depth at MW.

Thank goodness someone stepped in and said something, CC Preme, Many fighters will look invincible when their opponent is much smaller then them in the ring, I still don't understand why people give so much credit for Hopkins beating an undersized Trinidad compared to other boxers. Plain crazy.

[AirJordanIV]

Besides the Tarver win, B-hop's best victories were over two blown up welterweights.

[Scrap]

A welter puncher with not the best chin in the world moving up to middle against agood counter puncher with solid foundations and a good sense of distance who can whack a bit . With hindsight who would you fancy.

[Wacko3205]

A welter puncher with not the best chin in the world moving up to middle against agood counter puncher with solid foundations and a good sense of distance who can whack a bit . With hindsight who would you fancy.

Very true.

Puh-leeze. How about middleweights that move up to heavyweight?

Many people back then didn't give Hopkins a shot in hell...as they often have, do, & will in the future.

[Majesty]

never would hopkins been able to touch RJJ in his prime, ever. Jones was to fast, to strong and a much better boxer than hopkins. Don't forget tito was out of his depth at MW.

Thank goodness someone stepped in and said something, CC Preme, Many fighters will look invincible when their opponent is much smaller then them in the ring, I still don't understand why people give so much credit for Hopkins beating an undersized Trinidad compared to other boxers. Plain crazy.

I'm sure Joppy said the same thing.

Trinidad was enough of a Middleweight to knockout Joppy and Mayorga wasn't he? Alright then don't take credit from Hopkins for beating Trinidad. Hindsight is 20-20. But if Trinidad was the betting favorite(which he was) there's no place to call Tito an undersized Middleweight NOW after the fact.

[Bookkeeper]

never would hopkins been able to touch RJJ in his prime, ever. Jones was to fast, to strong and a much better boxer than hopkins. Don't forget tito was out of his depth at MW.

Thank goodness someone stepped in and said something, CC Preme, Many fighters will look invincible when their opponent is much smaller then them in the ring, I still don't understand why people give so much credit for Hopkins beating an undersized Trinidad compared to other boxers. Plain crazy.

I'm sure Joppy said the same thing.

Trinidad was enough of a Middleweight to knockout Joppy and Mayorga wasn't he? Alright then don't take credit from Hopkins for beating Trinidad. Hindsight is 20-20. But if Trinidad was the betting favorite(which he was) there's no place to call Tito an undersized Middleweight NOW after the fact.

Tito and Oscar were both undersized MW when they stepped in the ring vs Hopkins. But you only here excuses for Oscar when it comes to the disadvantage. I just want to make sure we have an unbias opinion here. You either give him credit for beating two HOF fighters or you don't give him credit due to the size advantage he had over both fighters. You however are one of many people on this forum that give Tito no benefit of the doubt at all for losing that fight due to the streak he ran off from Septemeber of 99 to November of 01. He did knock out Joppy which should say more for his achievement than his lack of it. Second off Trinidad was the betting favorite because Bernard Hopkins had never displayed the talent he displayed post Trinidad to present. If we would have seen that B-Hop at the time he would have been the heavy favorite, there is a bunch of if's you can add. Every logical boxing fan can tell you that Tito was an overblown WW with the exception of you. It's not fair that some boxers get a get out of jail free card and others don't. The Joppy demolition should be very impressive to you because not only did he beat a champion he beat him while being undersized and hit like a mule. Instead you use it against him which is BS, you think because he beat Joppy that 160 should have been a natural weight for him LOL. After he sat for 2 years and his body got heavier he came back to 160 and beat Mayorga who should have not been at 160 either, you need to sharpen up.

[Bookkeeper]

A welter puncher with not the best chin in the world moving up to middle against agood counter puncher with solid foundations and a good sense of distance who can whack a bit . With hindsight who would you fancy.

Very true.

Puh-leeze. How about middleweights that move up to heavyweight?

Many people back then didn't give Hopkins a shot in hell...as they often have, do, & will in the future.

That was because of his own performance not because of Tito's. It's alway's easy to judge in hindsight like you say but it's really easy when the fighter reaches another level that he was by far never on before. If he would have been given performances like that in years prior to Tito than it would of been Felix who was not given a shot in hell.