Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds : Taylor vs Ouma

[OumaFan]

Well Kassim tried hard and it wasn't a beatdown. It was dissapointing in a way but he did better than a lot of people thought he would. I swear though his defense seemed better at times when he was coming up. Either way, time to get back down to 154. 160 is all wrong.

By the way I hate Emmanuel Steward trained fighters. Is holding against the rules or not?

[SalTheButcher]

Well Kassim tried hard and it wasn't a beatdown. It was dissapointing in a way but he did better than a lot of people thought he would. I swear though his defense seemed better at times when he was coming up. Either way, time to get back down to 154. 160 is all wrong.

By the way I hate Emmanuel Steward trained fighters. Is holding against the rules or not?

you can hold, but when the ref tells you to break you break, you dont just hold and ignore, he should have beeen warned about that more then 3 times, i would have dqd the motherfucker, you hold, fine, but i say let go and you dont... THATS NOT GONNA HAPPEN

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Taylor's more pressable than a pair of cotton slacks.

Someone please remind me to forward this as candidate for quote of the year...

[bgordon]

Just so I got this straight. You think a win over a bum like Bika means more than a win over a former champion like Ouma? And I think and hope Cherry knocks out Malinaggi

Just so I get this straight...in your opinion...other than the Calzaghe fight, a draw with Soliman, & MAYBE the fight against Beyer...what makes him a bum? Because clearly...he isn't.

Also...if you start comparing apples to apples...Ouma stayed on his feet against Taylor...but was knocked out by a legit bum named Silva & beaten by a much lesser man in Karmazin.

I agree with you on Malinaggi.

just want to say that you cannot use the karmazin and silva fights as a measure of how good ouma is. he was waaay off against karmazin he looked like he was sick, and i didnt see the silva fight obviously but from what ive read it was a big fluke. ouma was absolutely on there to fight and win against taylor, even though he wasnt able to get his punch output really going because every time he planted his feet and tried to punch, taylor was nailing him with huge power shots. taylor did mess up though, he went for the ko early and spent too much energy, giving ouma a chance to get into the fight late. thats how i saw it.

[Wacko3205]

just want to say that you cannot use the karmazin and silva fights as a measure of how good ouma is. he was waaay off against karmazin he looked like he was sick, and i didnt see the silva fight obviously but from what ive read it was a big fluke. ouma was absolutely on there to fight and win against taylor, even though he wasnt able to get his punch output really going because every time he planted his feet and tried to punch, taylor was nailing him with huge power shots. taylor did mess up though, he went for the ko early and spent too much energy, giving ouma a chance to get into the fight late. thats how i saw it.

I wasn't using those fights to grade Ouma...I was saying that Taylor couldn't drop him & the other did.

[Wacko3205]

Hate to bring this thread back to the front of the board again...but I'm just sitting here watching Taylor Ouma & Taylor Wright & comparing those two to Taylor Bunema & Taylor Eduord...it's painfully apparent that Taylor can not cope with someone who is not afraid of his power.

Also...when his power doesn't equal a knockout...he goes into disappointment mode & hops on the bike.

Honestly, IWO, Taylor would get his ass handed to him by the heavy handed Miranda.

[OumaFan]

Also...when his power doesn't equal a knockout...he goes into disappointment mode & hops on the bike.

And holds.

The thing that frustrated me about the Ouma fight was after the first three rounds or so, Taylor gassed, and Ouma would outwork him for the majority of the round (wasn't landing big punches but was landing at times-totally ignored by Lampley-and Taylor was doing nothing), and then in the last twenty or thirty seconds Taylor would go all out and steal the round. Ouma should have just worked the first two minutes and thirty seconds of the rounds and then stayed away (Sturm did this to some extent versus ODLH) but he didn't and Taylor would be able to land some big punches and take the rounds.

I tend to think that Taylor's a better overall fighter than Miranda but backing up straight with his hands down is gonna lead to him getting caught and it will just depend on if he can take the power. Best thing for him would be to take Miranda out early if he can.

[Wacko3205]

Also...when his power doesn't equal a knockout...he goes into disappointment mode & hops on the bike.

And holds.

The thing that frustrated me about the Ouma fight was after the first three rounds or so, Taylor gassed, and Ouma would outwork him for the majority of the round (wasn't landing big punches but was landing at times-totally ignored by Lampley-and Taylor was doing nothing), and then in the last twenty or thirty seconds Taylor would go all out and steal the round. Ouma should have just worked the first two minutes and thirty seconds of the rounds and then stayed away (Sturm did this to some extent versus ODLH) but he didn't and Taylor would be able to land some big punches and take the rounds.

I tend to think that Taylor's a better overall fighter than Miranda but backing up straight with his hands down is gonna lead to him getting caught and it will just depend on if he can take the power. Best thing for him would be to take Miranda out early if he can.

Exactly.

Here's the thing...Taylor's a better boxer than Miranda...but not a better fighter.

Know what I mean?

Taylor can jab & is more complete...but he's not got the determination that Miranda seems to have, nor does he have the power.

I'd actually love to see the fight. I had no desire in the past...but now...different ball game. I want some defenitiveness & some clarity at 160lbs & I don't think that it lies in Taylor.