Quote Originally Posted by cockey cockney
Quote Originally Posted by OumaFan
Just bored, so who's overrated, who's underrated. Doesn't even have to be fighters really, could be trainers, announcers, whatever.

Overrated

HBO
Paul Williams--fight somebody
Miranda's win over Gibbs--Miranda's good but Gibbs was brought in cause he was chinny as hell
Jorge Arce in a P4P sense--he doesn't fight nearly good enough opposition to be P4P, not even close

Underrated

Showtime
Floyd Mayweather as an exciting fighter--Sure Baldomir and Castillo 2 were snoozers, but he's not the runner that some people make him out to be
Jose Luis Castillo--How this guy is not on everybody's top five P4P is beyond me
James Toney--He started at 160 and just outboxed a 250 pound Sam Peter, yet you almost never see him on P4P lists
Joel Casamayor-I don't think he is, but you could make a case he's undefeated against very good opposition
Ignacio Beristain-horrible manager, but a great trainer


I wouldnt say that Toney is underated, most people respect him hugely as a boxer just really dislike his personality. I pretty much agree with the rest of this list. btw good topic!

Joe Calzaghe needs on the overated list until he steps up his opponents.
CC and Calzaghe does deserve to be on the overrated list.

I guess what I mean with Toney is that he doesn't get as much respect as some of his peers. Imagine if Hopkins moved all the way up and outboxed Peter. People would be fawning over him and discussing his place among the alltime greats, where you don't hear quite the same thing with Toney.

People are going to disagree with this but I think Diego Corrales' chin is underrated. He gets knocked down a lot, he gets hit a lot in general, but except for the second Castillo fight he's never been totally out of it. Sure he was knocked down a lot versus Floyd and Casamayor but he was never out on his feet or even that groggy. And the knockdowns against Castillo in the first fight, he wasn't out on his feet by any means, and he took Freitas' shots well. He doesn't have the greatest chin of all time, but its not as glass as some people make it out to be.