That about sums it up...Originally Posted by SweetPea
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That about sums it up...Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Very good way of looking at it and i agree!Originally Posted by Poom
true. 3 years was a big big differenceOriginally Posted by cockey cockney
he wont be hated and mocked like he is now
if they havent taken away those years
alright its tysons fault. but those years were big
I dont think Mikes legacy is affected by anything, the fact we are talking about him in the same breath as Ali is proof.
There is a thread now about Marcianos record, well Mike as champion has a better resume than Marcianos, Mike only had to beat 1 former light heavy in Spinks to Rockys Charles and Moore but at least he didnt get out the first.
Mike wasnt on the slide as in loosing speed and power it was just neglecting all the things he was taught in training with Rooney.
I think if Mike had been forced to leave America for 3 years rather than prison he would have had a better chance of regaining his ferocity, he could have taken that time to just chill away from leaches then on his own terms made any come back, he was basicaly pushed to fight, rather than having the burning desuire he once did.
Ali wanted to prove he could still compete, Mike just wanted to be able to buy cars and houses, he still does
i disagree and agree with the guy above. Tyson was on the score cards winning the fight untill the 6th round when holy started to take over and did hit him with everything but be honest he never really hurt tyson untill the 10th and when you say beat up? look at tyson's face at the end other than a tiny cut his face was'nt beat up at all if he had took everypunch in the book his face would of been swolllen, none of that really. Any one with any boxing knowledge, and i aint saying you aint got none but they would know Tyson's conditioning was a huge factor. Tyson was Tired to the point where he was outgunned. His tiredness was more a factor than holyfield throwing everypunch in the book. 10+ rounds of a beating you obviously watched a different fight it was close up to end of round 6 - 7 . the Mike Tyson of 1996 took Holyfield 11 rounds so the Tyson of 92 would of at the very least of gone the extra round and took it to a decision win or lose he was far far fitter and the 2 ruddock fights, more the 2nd are an example of his heart and stamina back then.Originally Posted by SweetPea
If I remember correctly, Tyson's face was purple and full of mouses and welts at the end of that fight. He had taken a beating.Originally Posted by tubbc
I don't remember what the scorecards were, but considering how suspect judging can be, I use my own eyes. Holyfield established by the 2nd round that he could take Tyson's punches, stand his ground, and land effective punches of his own. He was winning the fight at every point after round 2. Tyson was still fighting well up until the very end, but he was losing.
And to be honest, I think the "Tyson would've been better in '92" argument is rather fruitless, because that's completely ignoring the fact that Holyfield was better in '92 as well. Tyson fought a Holyfield in '96 who had already been in 3 wars with Bowe, had lost to Moorer, etc. As I said before, Holyfield beats Tyson in '92, '97, '07, '27, whatever.
Holyfield was more likely to brawl back then not box and Mike was still throwing some sort of combinations and hadnt had 4 years out
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