Mayweather.... Give me your opinion

[El Gamo]

PBF-awesomely talented but over rated himself,hence the harsh critics. Great fighter but resume leaves alot to be desired imo. Beat good fighters at the beginning of his career,but Oscar aside,has not fought someone who is really dangerous in a while. Like I said,I am in awe of his talents but guys like Sharmba,Judah,Baldo,Gatti,Brusseles are not what all time great resumes are made up of. That's just my opinion.

I agree with you there but do you not sometimes think that maybe there is not enough 'good to great' fighters out there at the moment? He gets slated for not fighting Margarito, yet if he beat him folk would complain that Margarito is slow and predictable. If he beat Hatton or Cotto folk would just say 'well i told you both of them were over hyped'. Now if he beats Oscar folk are going to put it down to old age and ring inactivity on Oscar's part.

As no fighter around today seems to be close to perfect, their most obvious flaw(s) seems to get picked upon as soon as a possibly great fighter beats them (mayweather for example). Therefore a fighter like Mayweather will struggle to be recognised as a great in the present time.

In years to come will any of the fighters of this current generation be remembered as greats? Because if Mayweather isn't, then i cannot think of any other fighter that will be.

No,but if Mayweather could beat Margarito,Hatton and Cotto plus one other name then NO ONE could say anything,he would be defeating his nearest rivals and threats. These would be fights against guys who are not old/on the slide/mentally weak etc whoch would describe PBF's opponents' for the last few years.

Castillo,Hernandez,Chavez,Ndou,Gatti,Corrales,etc a few good names there but ALL Time Great? Hell no..add Hatton,Cotto and Margarito and it looks 20 times better already.

He has missed out on fighting Spadafora,Tszyu,Casamayor etc etc for one reason or another and at 140 and 147,no one on the planet can say he fought the best in those divisions,no way. He's too guilty of handpicking opponents.

I'm sorry but for me,he's wasting his talent. If I had that much talent,I 'd fight Cotto,Hatton,Margarito etc shut up the critics and earn $$$$$$$$$ in the process+ a greater legacy than he has now..

Look, please get the facts straight.

Everyone knows Floyd wanted to fight Tszyu after Gatti, but Hatton got to Kosta first.

Floyd fought the best of the best at 135, so please stop. If Floyd fought Casamayor and didn't fight Corrales, you would just say "why didn't Floyd fight Corrales." You're saying JLC and Corrales were good names but not all-time greats, but neither were Spafadora and Casamayor. So Floyd wouldn't have gained any more respect by fighting them. You would just find other boxers to say Floyd ducked.

For the last time, HATTON HAS NOT WANTED TO FIGHT FLOYD YET!!! Hatton himself knows that he's in for the toughest night of his life against Floyd and he even said because of that knowledge he's not ready yet. HATTON HAS SAID THIS!!! So please stop making it seem like Mayweather is running because it's exactly the opposite.

Tony obviously is an average boxer. The guy showed up and was completely OUTCLASSED for four rounds until Clottey screwed his hands up. I mean, it wasn't even competitive, Clottey was killing Tony. I'll give credit for Tony winning the fight, it's not his fault that Clottey hurt his hands. But everyone watching could tell there was a difference in talent when Clottey was healthy. Tony was getting tattooed. At first he was the big bad boogeyman, and now his own promoter has moved onto another bandwagon after his performance. And you people will say "why doesn't Floyd just fight him if Tony sucks so bad??" Because Tony would just be another opponent that people would take and say Floyd hasn't fought anybody still. Once Tony is dispatched, people will forget the hype, and will look at his record, and people will say "who had Tony fought anyway?" and he will fall amongst the ranks of Corley and Gatti on Floyd's record.

Cotto has only now come to 147. When Floyd was at 140, Cotto was a lil pup still at 140. There's no way Arum would have put Cotto in with Floyd and they were still both being promoted by Top Rank at the time. Cotto has now made a little noise at 147, he's still fairly new to the division. It's Arum's job to build up the hype, it's your job to not fall into it. If Floyd beats ODLH and Cotto beats Tony, then the fight will probably be made.

You're a hater.

Ummmmm...nope. Your'e wrong there. He's surely not.

He's just a discusser...which is what this forum is all about.

He see's it from both ends & starts a debate. That aint a hater.

Yo Albsur,stop talking nonsense. This is why I only like talking to specific Floyd fans,just because I make points about Floyd,I'm a hater.....blah blah etc etc. All those points you made don't mean anything to me because like I said,the fights were not made for one reason or another,I did not say it was Floyd's fault first and second, Margarito,Cotto,Hatton etc are MUCH better names than Gatti,Baldo etc etc

Well said...& that's the point that needs to be made also.

Just because all these fights were not made...it's not Mayweather's fault that the fights weren't all made.

Careful deduction will show most that a lot of this stems from the fans, Arum's bitterness, & a lot of would be contenders pulling out here & there.

#1: Margarito wasn't a factor until Floyd left Arum...think back to when that was & you'll see that truth.

#2: Cotto...he already said he wasn't ready...then he was. When he was...that changed over the course of an 8 round blowout & youv'e never heard peep from him again due to the fact that Cotto watched ringside as Floyd systematically humiliated Miquel's sparring partner Bruseles...& that was that.

#3: Hatton by his own admission...wasn't ready...then he was...then he wasn't...then came Collazo & now he's back @ 140lbs...

Reminds me of a little Dave Chappelle skit...When Keepin It Real Goes Wrong.

I'm glad you recognise Wack,I've known you on here long enough for you to know,I'm not the type to start hating on a fighter,I'm just discussing and believe,I think PBF is one of the most talented fighters i have EVER seen BUT he's wasting the talent by not beating the danger guys.

Regardless for whatever reason,those fights were not made,they should have been as they enhanced PBF's resume,they are fights where he would not be hot hot fave to win,and would be dangerous fights,agains YOUNG,HUNGRY fighters.

That's my major gripe,his best wins,Castillo,Corrales and Chavez are good fighters but I'd much rather see Hatton,Cotto,and Margarito there instead. I mean the guys he has fought at 140 and 147 and C grade fighters imo.

Yo Albsur,stop talking nonsense. This is why I only like talking to specific Floyd fans,just because I make points about Floyd,I'm a hater.....blah blah etc etc. All those points you made don't mean anything to me because like I said,the fights were not made for one reason or another,I did not say it was Floyd's fault first and second, Margarito,Cotto,Hatton etc are MUCH better names than Gatti,Baldo etc etc

I understand what you are trying to say but if Floyd beat Tony, how much credit would you actually give him? You'd still come out here and say, "well, he hasn't beat Cotto or Hatton yet. He's so overrated." You're already basically giving Floyd no credit for anything he has done and that's absurd.

Absolutely NOT.No way,if he beat Tony,he would be beating RING/ESPN etc number 2 WW,a guy that has been unbeaten at WW for like 7 years and is a tough and rugged fighter.

You think Ray BOOM BOOM Mancini,when asked who he thought could beat Floyd,would say Tony for no reason?

Do you think James Toney would say Tony would give PBF his toughest fight for no reason?

Bro,do you think Steve kim and Doug Fishcer(who has been a boxing fan for 25 years and gets nearly EVERY prediction for a big fight right) would like Tony if he was not a dangerous fighter?


All these guys know their shit,so if Floyd took the fight and won,I could not care less what ANYONE said,he would have earnt my respect just as in the same way,Manny Pacman earned my respect by destroying 2 of my fave boxers and drawing with another of my faves. You earn respect by fighting the best,by fighting the threats and the dangermen,not by handpicking opponents etc etc...

My point is,these are the types of fights Floyd needs to make..I'm just NOT IMPRESSED at all with Gatti,Mitchell,Judah,Baldo etc,I could care less what title it was for,he's about to vacate that title no anwaya so could not have mean that much to him!

Sorry if I sounded rude in the previous post though.