Although I respect everyone's opinions here,there is absolutely no fooking way Oscar De La Hoya is in the greatest 20 fighters that have ever lived,absolutely NO WAY! Just no! I'm sorry but I don't see it.and as great as B Hop is,I would not have him in front of Monzon,or JCC and definitely in the top 20 for me. Great record but all these other guys from history have a much much better record.I'll put mine up later.

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I may sound stupid asking this but it's how I'll learn,what is the difference between greatest and best??Best as in your personal best and greatest as greatest for achievements/all time? CC's for the lists,I have not seen enough old fights to make 1 yet,but I know all the fighters you guys names so my knowlege is getting better!
Actually it is a good question....I always consider the best a temporary thing,,,,one guy can be the best today EG Floyd Mayweather still undefeated...but a fight later a different guy could be because he one upped him...EG Pacquio beats Morales twice but all time greatest is a bit more thought into....I go by achievements over their whole career...do the top moments outweigh the bad...How have their accomplishmets as a whole add up not just a single part of their careers....EG Ali loses to Berbick...in a current situation that would drop him down in the P4P ranks because he lost to a low quality fighter but over his career...he beat guys like Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Folley, Patterson....Hope that helps a little
El Gamo...there's never a stupid question when you learn an answer.

Good assestment Daxx my man...but you made one fatal error & I highlighted it for you.

You must keep up with the Saddo tradition. You have to post it like this : Hope this helps.

It conveys the sarcasm of the veteran posters of yesteryear & also conveys a little bit of compasion by saying that you sincerly hope you helped...actually...it's more about the sarcasm.

So...I hope that helped. Heh heh heh.
LMAO,thanks guys and yeah,Wacko's right,Daxx you CANNOT say hope that helps a little?!!