Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
Ali had trouble with guys other people didn't.....Ken Norton ANY big punchers just BLASTED him.

Based on the SIZE aspect which EVERYONE brings up Ali would have trouble with those guys...Ali moved really well what about Riddick Bowe?

Bowe, Lewis, Briggs, The Klitschko's they are all HUGE compared to Ali and they are all athletic enough to cut off the ring and Ali wouldn't KO all of them or out point all of them but historically he's one of the greatest boxers ever.

Now I am not saying Ali sucks but I am saying that now'a'days we have bigger boxers with different skills and since more people have learned about what Ali did more people know how to beat that style.

With the size thing, well it doesn't only apply to Dempsey and Marciano is all I am saying.

A good fighter is a good fighter and how they do in their era vs THE BEST FIGHTERS is how good they are historically
That's all fine and good, but you obviously also have to take into consideration how good "THE BEST FIGHTERS" of these guys' era were. The best fighters of Ali's era (and Ali's overall competition) was a million times better than most of who was around for Marciano. I guarantee you Marciano wouldn't have his record if he fought in Ali's era (and not only because he'd lose to Ali).