Valero Ready to face Pac

[pacfan]

but seems like PAC doesnt want a piece of Valero. Honestly I'm a little disappointed with PAC right now
I honestly would like to see PAC fight Valero and Guzman may be JMM and MAB for toppings then retire, but looks like PAC is going to the wrong direction.

Valero is not ready for Pac and there are bigger fish to fry for him...I don't think Pac fears anyone...Though ( and this is some inside limited info) I understand Pac turned down an offer of 5 million to fight Cassamor and Cassamayor offered to move down to Pac's weight?....Never know

If I remember right, that was the time when Pac was planning to go up from 126 to 130 and when there was negotiation to fight Morales (the first fight). Casamayor offered to come down to 130 from 135 to fight Pac but Freddie Roach immediately dismissed the idea as being plain stupid. But when Pac KO'd Morales in the second fight, Casamayor dismissed Pac as being too small for him and offered to fight Barrera instead. Strangely, that was almost the same reaction Barrios had at that time dismissing Pac and saying that Barrera is a much worthy opponent. I wonder why

[Violent Demise]

but seems like PAC doesnt want a piece of Valero. Honestly I'm a little disappointed with PAC right now
I honestly would like to see PAC fight Valero and Guzman may be JMM and MAB for toppings then retire, but looks like PAC is going to the wrong direction.

Valero is not ready for Pac and there are bigger fish to fry for him...I don't think Pac fears anyone...Though ( and this is some inside limited info) I understand Pac turned down an offer of 5 million to fight Cassamor and Cassamayor offered to move down to Pac's weight?....Never know

If I remember right, that was the time when Pac was planning to go up from 126 to 130 and when there was negotiation to fight Morales (the first fight). Casamayor offered to come down to 130 from 135 to fight Pac but Freddie Roach immediately dismissed the idea as being plain stupid. But when Pac KO'd Morales in the second fight, Casamayor dismissed Pac as being too small for him and offered to fight Barrera instead. Strangely, that was almost the same reaction Barrios had at that time dismissing Pac and saying that Barrera is a much worthy opponent. I wonder why

Casamayor dismissed Pac cuz Roach had already said Casamayor was to big. He knew Pac would get murder by Casamayor, which is why he consider the taught of them fighting as stupid

[El Gamo]

Valero has reportedly told Arum to get him Pacmans ass in his next fight!! I don't think it wil happen though,Edwin's camp want him to fight a former champ/higher tier opponent and then MAYBE Pac late 07 early 08!! I want V Nom to kick his ass!!!!!!

[Majesty]

Valero ready to fight Pacman..

um.. *looks around** ... no he isnt

[babyboNe]

I really want to see this fight happen now, pac is gonna k.o valero I can't wait for pac to end valeros overrated hype.

hopefully pac gives him a turn on a ass whooping, pac has so many possible oppenent to whoop. I am willing to 4get jmm for a while and guzman so pac can put a stop to this bullshit about valeros power. bums after another bum, its so funny people obsess with valero k.oing bums, but its already proven he gets one decent fight he himself gets drop by vincent valeros only oppenent we can all agree is decent. and he got took deep.

I seen him, valero aint got shit pac is gonna fuck him up. pac got real proven power one lands valero is out. I won't be surprise valeros power won't even look as hard against elite levels.

valero is OVERATTED OVER HYPE!

PAC WILL DESTROY HIM! his style is perfect for pacs hooks and quick straights.

WE CAN ALL AGREE VALEROS CHIN IS WEAKER AND PACS POWER IS PROVEN. valero is just hype against BUMS.

pac wins by k.o round 2.

if valero fights jmm guzman or mab

jmm wins via k.o by 6th

guzman win by u.d

mab wins by 10th round.

valeros is WEAK! he aint shit against the elite.

what a weak ass seeing him is so stupid people actually trying to hype him up. his gonna get punish by the elites.

[Violent Demise]

I really want to see this fight happen now, pac is gonna k.o valero I can't wait for pac to end valeros overrated hype.

hopefully pac gives him a turn on a ass whooping, pac has so many possible oppenent to whoop. I am willing to 4get jmm for a while and guzman so pac can put a stop to this bullshit about valeros power. bums after another bum, its so funny people obsess with valero k.oing bums, but its already proven he gets one decent fight he himself gets drop by vincent valeros only oppenent we can all agree is decent. and he got took deep.

I seen him, valero aint got shit pac is gonna fuck him up. pac got real proven power one lands valero is out. I won't be surprise valeros power won't even look as hard against elite levels.

valero is OVERATTED OVER HYPE!

PAC WILL DESTROY HIM! his style is perfect for pacs hooks and quick straights.

WE CAN ALL AGREE VALEROS CHIN IS WEAKER AND PACS POWER IS PROVEN. valero is just hype against BUMS.

pac wins by k.o round 2.

if valero fights jmm guzman or mab

jmm wins via k.o by 6th

guzman win by u.d

mab wins by 10th round.

valeros is WEAK! he aint shit against the elite.

what a weak ass seeing him is so stupid people actually trying to hype him up. his gonna get punish by the elites.

How is Valero's chin weak? Pac's power is proven against fighters his size or smaller. He's never fought at natural 130 like Valero. Punches don't have the same affect against bigger fighters. I'm pretty sure you can agree with that. I'm not saying Valero is going to win. I'm just saying he has a better chance than you and a lot of people think. Him winning will not surprise me.

[Majesty]

How is Valero's chin weak? Pac's power is proven against fighters his size or smaller. He's never fought at natural 130 like Valero. Punches don't have the same affect against bigger fighters. I'm pretty sure you can agree with that. I'm not saying Valero is going to win. I'm just saying he has a better chance than you and a lot of people think. Him winning will not surprise me.

The guy Pacquiao fought before the Morales second fight, wasn't he the naturally bigger guy who hadn't been stopped?[

[babyboNe]

How is Valero's chin weak? Pac's power is proven against fighters his size or smaller. He's never fought at natural 130 like Valero. Punches don't have the same affect against bigger fighters. I'm pretty sure you can agree with that. I'm not saying Valero is going to win. I'm just saying he has a better chance than you and a lot of people think. Him winning will not surprise me.

The guy Pacquiao fought before the Morales second fight, wasn't he the naturally bigger guy who hadn't been stopped?[

exactly valezquez is a naturally bigger guy than pac and pac took him out in 6th while pac practice his right hooks on him.

pac since the mab fight has never been naturally bigger then any of his oppenents. maybe only 3k battery because his shorter then pac. larios move up in weight but he walks around heavier then pac without a upcoming fight. pac has always prove that he has power against heavier guys. he spars and knock around welters up to middleweights plus pac is around 140 come fight night and during sparring and training before draining he sticks around to 140 like a welterweight. valero is not much bigger then pac and I said his chin is weaker then pac because vincent drop valero and pac jmm mab even guzman has more power then vincent and vincent doesn't have the same speed. and that vincent fight was just a few months ago.

you said punches don't have the same affect on bigger guys, but pac is known to drop a middleweight in sparring. and what you should keep in mind is that punches don't have same affect on elites, they are more hungry committed and conditioned meaning chins are stronger legs last longer and they don't just roll over and fold for pay day like the bums valero has been k.oing in the first round. all of those guys valero k.oed pac will k.o too or even worst pac may practice his hooks or whatever he wants to do before finishing them. valero hasn't proved shit. pac will knock him out back to silent ville. his hype is getting too annoying he don't even look at all special. he doesn't have nothing but a hype unproven power.

he steps up his oppenents his gonna get expose vincent a only decent guy almost already did.

valero probubly just want pac to get a big pay day. so funny like when larios was saying he wants a rematch.

[Violent Demise]

How is Valero's chin weak? Pac's power is proven against fighters his size or smaller. He's never fought at natural 130 like Valero. Punches don't have the same affect against bigger fighters. I'm pretty sure you can agree with that. I'm not saying Valero is going to win. I'm just saying he has a better chance than you and a lot of people think. Him winning will not surprise me.

The guy Pacquiao fought before the Morales second fight, wasn't he the naturally bigger guy who hadn't been stopped?[

exactly valezquez is a naturally bigger guy than pac and pac took him out in 6th while pac practice his right hooks on him.

pac since the mab fight has never been naturally bigger then any of his oppenents. maybe only 3k battery because his shorter then pac. larios move up in weight but he walks around heavier then pac without a upcoming fight. pac has always prove that he has power against heavier guys. he spars and knock around welters up to middleweights plus pac is around 140 come fight night and during sparring and training before draining he sticks around to 140 like a welterweight. valero is not much bigger then pac and I said his chin is weaker then pac because vincent drop valero and pac jmm mab even guzman has more power then vincent and vincent doesn't have the same speed. and that vincent fight was just a few months ago.

you said punches don't have the same affect on bigger guys, but pac is known to drop a middleweight in sparring. and what you should keep in mind is that punches don't have same affect on elites, they are more hungry committed and conditioned meaning chins are stronger legs last longer and they don't just roll over and fold for pay day like the bums valero has been k.oing in the first round. all of those guys valero k.oed pac will k.o too or even worst pac may practice his hooks or whatever he wants to do before finishing them. valero hasn't proved shit. pac will knock him out back to silent ville. his hype is getting too annoying he don't even look at all special. he doesn't have nothing but a hype unproven power.

he steps up his oppenents his gonna get expose vincent a only decent guy almost already did.

valero probubly just want pac to get a big pay day. so funny like when larios was saying he wants a rematch.

Come on Jumount, Velazquez came in with 10 losses and had been stopped 4 times in his career. Real impressive. And how you going to compare sparring with actual fighting. It's not the same thing. The fact that he's dropping middleweights in sparring don't mean shit. It's not like those middleweights are Jermain Taylor, Winky Wright, Ike Quartey or some other big name. Him dropping Raul Frank, Robert Frazier or some other bum middleweight don't impress me. Valero getting dropped by Mosquera don't mean he has a weak chin. Mosquera is a very good fighter. And his power is underrated. Go look at his fight against Yodsanan Nanthachi. In which he dropped the iron jawed Thai 3 times. You'll see he has good power. Bottom line is this. Valero can't fight. He has no head movement. His defense sucks. And he seems to over-commit on his punches. But he can hit. He has outstanding power. And that combined with the fact that Pac ain't to hard to hit gives him a chance. Rather you won't to admit it or not.

[Majesty]

Demise, I dont think his issue is going to be throwing, I think his issue is going to be getting countered and beaten to the punch by Pacquiao, he always will have a one punch chance, but Pacquiao could afford a mistake against him, he can't afford any against Manny

[Violent Demise]

Demise, I dont think his issue is going to be throwing, I think his issue is going to be getting countered and beaten to the punch by Pacquiao, he always will have a one punch chance, but Pacquiao could afford a mistake against him, he can't afford any against Manny

That's exactly my point. He has a punchers chance. It's just some people don't even want to acknowledge that fact. Pac ain't to hard to hit. The fact that Valero is the naturally bigger man gives him a little more than a punchers chance. I don't think either fighter can afford a mistake. If Larios is wobbling Pac, than Valero can do more damage.

[CountryBoy]

It would be the brawls of brawls when it last, But I think to many people are dismissing Valero. Pac is easy to hit and so is Valero, So really it is who hits who first.... I take Valero by 2nd round knock out. Sorry Pac

[babyboNe]

How is Valero's chin weak? Pac's power is proven against fighters his size or smaller. He's never fought at natural 130 like Valero. Punches don't have the same affect against bigger fighters. I'm pretty sure you can agree with that. I'm not saying Valero is going to win. I'm just saying he has a better chance than you and a lot of people think. Him winning will not surprise me.

The guy Pacquiao fought before the Morales second fight, wasn't he the naturally bigger guy who hadn't been stopped?[

exactly valezquez is a naturally bigger guy than pac and pac took him out in 6th while pac practice his right hooks on him.

pac since the mab fight has never been naturally bigger then any of his oppenents. maybe only 3k battery because his shorter then pac. larios move up in weight but he walks around heavier then pac without a upcoming fight. pac has always prove that he has power against heavier guys. he spars and knock around welters up to middleweights plus pac is around 140 come fight night and during sparring and training before draining he sticks around to 140 like a welterweight. valero is not much bigger then pac and I said his chin is weaker then pac because vincent drop valero and pac jmm mab even guzman has more power then vincent and vincent doesn't have the same speed. and that vincent fight was just a few months ago.

you said punches don't have the same affect on bigger guys, but pac is known to drop a middleweight in sparring. and what you should keep in mind is that punches don't have same affect on elites, they are more hungry committed and conditioned meaning chins are stronger legs last longer and they don't just roll over and fold for pay day like the bums valero has been k.oing in the first round. all of those guys valero k.oed pac will k.o too or even worst pac may practice his hooks or whatever he wants to do before finishing them. valero hasn't proved S***. pac will knock him out back to silent ville. his hype is getting too annoying he don't even look at all special. he doesn't have nothing but a hype unproven power.

he steps up his oppenents his gonna get expose vincent a only decent guy almost already did.

valero probubly just want pac to get a big pay day. so funny like when larios was saying he wants a rematch.

Come on Jumount, Velazquez came in with 10 losses and had been stopped 4 times in his career. Real impressive. And how you going to compare sparring with actual fighting. It's not the same thing. The fact that he's dropping middleweights in sparring don't mean S***. It's not like those middleweights are Jermain Taylor, Winky Wright, Ike Quartey or some other big name. Him dropping Raul Frank, Robert Frazier or some other bum middleweight don't impress me. Valero getting dropped by Mosquera don't mean he has a weak chin. Mosquera is a very good fighter. And his power is underrated. Go look at his fight against Yodsanan Nanthachi. In which he dropped the iron jawed Thai 3 times. You'll see he has good power. Bottom line is this. Valero can't fight. He has no head movement. His defense sucks. And he seems to over-commit on his punches. But he can hit. He has outstanding power. And that combined with the fact that Pac ain't to hard to hit gives him a chance. Rather you won't to admit it or not.

v.d. ur so funny your still not over jumont...didn't saddo already punk you about that I'm not him, that so sad holding on like that get a life.

I don't understand first u say its different when punches land on bigger guys and valero is bigger so uhh...... then dismiss the fact that pac has enough power to knock around middleweights. and then not care about how peeps over hype valero for k.oing a bunch of Beat Up Motherfuckers a.k.a BUMS! and yes is naturally bigger is that really impressive? nope. so basically not only has he been fighting bums his been picking on smaller guys. this is why I'm not sold on him. I won't be surprise he turns out looking like a bum, we both know his vulnerable so that's why u say he should fight pac soon while he gets these hype. that just show he doesn't impress you too.

pacs k.o eric in the second and third, em is a naturally bigger guy and his an elite dominant over any of valeros oppenent. a long career to be known with a granite iron chin. your prolly gonna say eric was shot, if I can remember right v.d you was saying how much eric would beat pac with this same reason because his a naturally bigger guy then pac.

back to valero, your only argument that has a point is yes valero has a punchers chance, but the hype his getting he doesn't yet deserve, if ever he will deserve it.

and yea your right valero may not ever change his style so while his getting this hype go challenge the beast I mean the best in the division. I think its a bad move, pac hasn't been drop for years and now with a whole country under his shoulders pacs character and heart won't allow himself to be dissappointed. pac will train hard and drop middleweights in sparring then will not take valero lightly so that means valeros punchers chance is very slim against pacs gauranteed brutal rage. pac does get hit but isn't as easy as one may think. punches may land but he anticipates them coming and sides his head away watch him carefully see his eyes he anticipates to cussin the blows.

as for the guy who mentioned larios. when he stun pac, pac took it easy on larios, pac won't take it easy on valero specailly with all this hype. pac will k.o valero in the first or second.

only one that may beat pac is jmm, if jmm stays on his toes and bicycle while countering. going toe to toe with pac is suicide that's what pac does best, legends won some battle but pac always won the war. only a guy like jmm can beat pac. if he can fruastrate him. valero is a joke by the way.

[spine_buster]

Pac's defense is still disrespected. I think in any aspect Pac has all the advantage. The only thing that is complicated for Pac is that he never faced a southpaw. So, it must be the factor that we should watch.

[pacfan]

To all believers in Pacman - not necessarily his fans - I can guarantee you that all this Pac trashing talks will stop after 2 or 3 more fights, provided that he don't fight some bummers. Someone said only Pac can defeat himself, and unless he becomes lazy and take his opponent easy but train as hard as he did for Erik, started training with a flu and ended up in the ring with a fever but still coming out victorious, there is no doubt he'll be able to beat anyone out there. Most people here just don't know what kinda monster power Pac brings - his punches are even stronger than ever. He'd KO Barrera much earlier and he can KO Marquez in the 1st, next time around - I'm willing to stake my 'reputation' on this one.