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I am not comparing Zab in anyway with Ray except in speed and power, and thats because Zab was a very special athlete in terms of boxing. I would never compare their skill, determination, chin, heart, etc. etc. because Zab loses miserably compared to Ray. I think it will be interesting to see if ODLH can hit Floyd with his jab because though much slower than Ray's ODLH had a harder jab than SRR, and its very accurate like SRR to an extent. I believe from what I've seen Floyd is nullify the jab against pretty much anyone, and he also has a damn good jab himself especially in his younger years... I have never seen anyone jab so effectively to the body.
How you see Leonard-Mayweather going at Welter?

I lean towards Mayweather because Leonard had some problems I think Mayweather could capatilize on, but I think Leonard beats Robinson hands down... He's faster, he can take Robinson's punch, and is IMO is as good jabbing on the outside as SRR.
So you think it goes...
1)Mayweather
2)Leonard
3)SRR
Not at all I think Mayweather is the right fighter to beat Leonard, and Leonard is the right fighter to beat Robinson, but that its hard to say IMO who wins between Mayweather and Robinson at welterweight, though it being Robinson's natural weight I give him the benefit of the doubt. The reason I think Robinson would do better than Leonard against Mayweather is that he was busier fighter, and he didn't throw bullshit combinations that Mayweather would counter easily that Leonard threw all the time. I think Robinson was smarter than Leonard in the ring, and that along with his size might help against FLoyd. Its hard to say though how heavy Robinson would weigh in at welterweight, but he looked like a stick, and may very well have been not all that strong, but I believe that wasn't the case as he was able to get in there with middleweights and even a light heavyweight. The debate for me between Floyd and Robinson is can Robinson hurt Floyd if so Robinson could win potentially in the inside the 12 rounds, and if not I can't see him outboxing the quicker man.

In terms of athletic ability I believe thoguh its

1. Floyd
2. Leonard
3. Robinson
because athletes get better, and Floyd has the longest line of boxers before him
THe problem with Leonard is he wasn't trained as well it would seem as the other two, and in terms of boxing skill IMO it goes
1. Floyd
2. Robinson
3. Leonard

Because Floyd is the only one who truly has it all, but maybe not at welterweight. If he goes toe to toe with ODLH which I don't think he will, but if he does and wins I will believe he can fight on the inside against a bigger man who hits harder than either Robinson or Leonard no question. If your wondering what Ray Robinson doesn't have IMO its a great defense... its good, and the more I watch him the more I appreciate his footwork, and shoulder work to a degree, but he isn't on the same level as Whitaker or Mayweather, but more like Hopkins.