Taekwondo is the ULTIMATE art!

[hardrock]

Von Milash - If you want to know how to fight you should study fighitng. If you want to know about History then you should study History.

High flying kicks is sport TKD, waste of time. Again I would you fists, elbows, kness and shin/foot for my attacks. Some TKD get carried away with art and start doing the wrong thing thats all.

MrB - If it were me I would of done punching and angle kicks to you, with some knees and elbows. Sounds like Muay Thai? No its basic TKD! Fact!

Heavy D - Yes I know where your coming from, I thought the same thing. I myself researched and found out they use the same punching as boxers. Same knees and elbows as Muay Thai.

[MrB]

hardrock:

Its funny because if you are a Taekwondo guy I dont think you would be throwing knees and elbows. Thats just not Taekwondo. Another thing is in a real fight you just dont kick or punch senselessly. You measure the opponent. We cant however settle as to who's the superior between the 2 of us here in the Internet. I probabably would just let you get the W in this argument.

[Von Milash]

Von Milash - If you want to know how to fight you should study fighitng. If you want to know about History then you should study History.

High flying kicks is sport TKD, waste of time. Again I would you fists, elbows, kness and shin/foot for my attacks. Some TKD get carried away with art and start doing the wrong thing thats all.

I'm confused. Seriously. Weren't you just saying that it is the ultimate martial art? Elbows knees and fists are weapons outside of TKD. Did I miss something in your posts? I must have.

[hardrock]

Von Milash - If you want to know how to fight you should study fighitng. If you want to know about History then you should study History.

High flying kicks is sport TKD, waste of time. Again I would you fists, elbows, kness and shin/foot for my attacks. Some TKD get carried away with art and start doing the wrong thing thats all.

I'm confused. Seriously. Weren't you just saying that it is the ultimate martial art? Elbows knees and fists are weapons outside of TKD. Did I miss something in your posts? I must have.

Again, high flying kicks IS unrealistic in a fight. No doubt about it. But TKD is STILL the ultimate art because of the other sensible kicks that can be used.

[hardrock]

hardrock:

Its funny because if you are a Taekwondo guy I dont think you would be throwing knees and elbows. Thats just not Taekwondo. Another thing is in a real fight you just dont kick or punch senselessly. You measure the opponent. We cant however settle as to who's the superior between the 2 of us here in the Internet. I probabably would just let you get the W in this argument.

You have made a bad argument. TKD teaches elbow and knees. TKD Users just don't always use it when they should.

Simple init!

[Heavy D]

The TKD stance is entirely different from the boxing stance. To use a boxing style punch, you would not be in the TKD stance, and hence, not using TKD. This argument is really going nowhere, so I'm done trying to convince you. But my opinion is that while it is a good way to learn to kick properly, it is far from the ultimate martial art. There really is no ultimate martial art, in my opinion, outside of the current mixed martial arts. The fact that MANY TKD practictioners were destroyed in the earlier UFCs by a variety of other martial arts pretty much goes to prove that while it CAN be effective with proper training, it is far from the ultimate martial art.

And for the record, it's me in my avatar. Was screwin around with my webcam and took it by accident, but it looked pretty epic, so I kept it :P

[X]

I'm a Taekwondo guy, and a boxer.

There is no such thing as an 'ultimate' martial art. Anybody who thinks that one style is a better short cut to being able to kick people in is an idiot.

You may as well argue that painting is a better art than sculpture.

Martial art takes place between your ears.

[Munkymagic]

Can't be arsed to put my point across anymore. Whatever this guy is talking about it isn't TKD.

Also there isn't an 'ultimate art'

Anyway...can't be bothered to argue

Also not to disrespect anyone but putting forth an argument on the basis of self study (books) and searching the internet..well

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Krav Magra is overrated. From a self defense standpoint, its nothing new (stab the guy in the throat, kick his balls, poke out his eyes, basically just fight dirty and do whatever you have to).

Isn't that what it comes down to? Who cares about landing some fancy flying kick shit, kick em in the balls and leg it. For all the shyte spoken about MA, Bruce Lee and all that, that is the essence of his art of any good MA IMO....also heard it said that the best thing to train for in self defence is sprinting.....

[Munkymagic]

Krav Magra is overrated. From a self defense standpoint, its nothing new (stab the guy in the throat, kick his balls, poke out his eyes, basically just fight dirty and do whatever you have to).

Isn't that what it comes down to? Who cares about landing some fancy flying kick S***, kick em in the balls and leg it. For all the shyte spoken about MA, Bruce Lee and all that, that is the essence of his art of any good MA IMO....also heard it said that the best thing to train for in self defence is sprinting.....

P*ssy

[Howlin Mad Missy]

well do you want to get stabbed over a parking space? Or let it go.

Have to understand I'm the first one to start gobbing off if stuff like that happens...on the otherhand I know it's stupid to put yourself at risk for something go trivial.....on the otherhand I think people get away with shit because people don't challenge them....

[Munkymagic]

I do agree with you. Awareness and avoidance should be the fisrt priority. I was pulling your pubes.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

that would work in a fight

[hardrock]

The TKD stance is entirely different from the boxing stance. To use a boxing style punch, you would not be in the TKD stance, and hence, not using TKD. This argument is really going nowhere, so I'm done trying to convince you. But my opinion is that while it is a good way to learn to kick properly, it is far from the ultimate martial art. There really is no ultimate martial art, in my opinion, outside of the current mixed martial arts. The fact that MANY TKD practictioners were destroyed in the earlier UFCs by a variety of other martial arts pretty much goes to prove that while it CAN be effective with proper training, it is far from the ultimate martial art.

And for the record, it's me in my avatar. Was screwin around with my webcam and took it by accident, but it looked pretty epic, so I kept it :P

Ever heard of a southpaw, same as TKD stance. Your thinking of the foot position 12 and 3. I am thinking of 1 and 1. If you get what Im saying. I might as well argue with a math teacher, you seem to not see in a real fight, styles but techniques can be crossed and still called say for example TKD.

[hardrock]

Can't be arsed to put my point across anymore. Whatever this guy is talking about it isn't TKD.

Also there isn't an 'ultimate art'

Anyway...can't be bothered to argue

Also not to disrespect anyone but putting forth an argument on the basis of self study (books) and searching the internet..well

Self study is what martial arts ia about. Study of the self and the art. The perfection of the art and even the perfection of the self (character). Your greatly mistaken my friend,

BTW Ultimate means: ending a process or series (first meaning from Dictionary.com).
Before TKD there were fight styles and TKD is the end accumulation of the Korean fighting styles.

(Sixth meaning according to Dictionary.com) Not to be surpassed. TKD has all the kicks of the other arts and more. All the elbows and knees of Muay Thai. Same punches as boxing.
It cannot be improved on against similar kicking/punching & striking arts.

Have a nice day!!!