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Let me say this...Peter is a raw talent...but raw or not...he did just beat one of the most technically gifted fighters of the last ten years. That being said...Toney aint S*** as a heavyweight in my book. I think that Toney WAS a brilliant fighter...but not at 235+ pounds. He's an effective Middle to Cruiser, after that he's just a fat guy that knows how to box...he is not a heavyweight boxer.

Now...that may sound like a smudge to both men...but it's not.

I like Sam Peter & I think & have always said that he will bring excitement back to the division. Peter catches a lot of flack regarding his style & abilities...all of which are improving to date.

As far as him hitting in the back of the head...it happens...but IWO those are not intentional rabbit punches as everyone keeps screaming. Against Wlad...it was a case of him leaning in on Peter everytime that he was clocked...Peter immediately fired one of those big looping hooks & Wlad was leaning in on him.

Watch the Toney fights again. A vast majority of those shots were due to Toney slipping what he could. Again...not saying that he hasn't done it before...but I truly do not believe that they are intentional shots.

Also...IWO...Peter beat him both times out.

As far as him dominating him? No...he did beat Toney though...& that is proof to the fact that Toney will not be successful at heavyweight because again...Peter is raw & still improving & has years to do so.

I'm impressed with Peter & think that he'll bring some compelling matches to the sport.
I love you, bro, but shite...I don't know what you are talking about. Peter is a bum with a big punch. If that's all he has, he should pack it in because he's going to get another
beat down against Klitschko. In light of the current H.W. title holders, maybe Peter can open it wide open. To me, that's more of an indictment of the division, which seems to
be nothing but garbage!!!!! :P
No problem. I know that your'e a Toney fan...& that loss Toney just endured was a hard one to swallow.

He got outboxed by Klitschko in the latter half of the fight...that wasn't a beat down. Klitschko is the better fighter & is an actual heavyweight that can box quite well...not just a blown up middleweight trying to follow in the footsteps of Jones.

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In light of the current H.W. title holders, maybe Peter can open it wide open. To me, that's more of an indictment of the division, which seems to
be nothing but garbage!!!!! :P
Which is basically what I said above...for us to be so close to the same opinion here...it's odd for me not to know what I'm talking about in this instance...unless it's the rabbit punching.
Definitely the rabbit punching!!! But I still think that Peter is garbage. :P
Alrighty then. We'll agree that everyone but me thinks that Peter's punches to the back of the head are not all intentional nor all his fault.

Anywho...we agree that Sam-U-El is going to bring some excitement back to the division. We agree he is improving, right? We agree that he beat Toney, right?

What does that say about James Toney then?
Also...who's gonna beat him...outside of Wlad...because that's already happened.

Not trying to be catty...just wanting to discuss...because we aint been involved in one of these ole' debates in a loooooooooooong time.