Quote Originally Posted by The Shadow
I'm far from sold on Peter, but to be objective, I would have to admit that he's a lot better. After boxing with some of the best in the division, he can't help but to improve.
I think Peter has a good chance of beating most title holders at this point. Although I think Klitschko would be his toughest test. But strangely I see some of the previous title holders giving him problems, e.g. Byrd, and swallow whatever you're drinking before you read further...Ruiz. Those clinch and punch styles seem to present problems for Peter.
Here's the thing...I like Peter ( ). He's damned entertaining & you never know exactly what you are going to get...& now even more so...especially if he continues to improve. He showed a lot of improvement over a three month span of time.

good point that you made (you might not have even known that you made it) when you said : "After boxing with some of the best in the division, he can't help but to improve." I agree with you on Byrd giving him problems...but not Ruiz...I think that he'd knock Johnny bwoyz head clean the fwock offa his shoulders...well...one can only hope...& pray...& what the hell...even sacrifice a lamb or some shit. Whatever it takes.

That's dead on the money...but imagine what he could do with a good trainer. That's my one liner for pleading Sam Peter's case...& I come off like a broken record with that one. He's just a blank canvas that apparently learned to either adapt quickly off of some tapes on Toney or somebody worked with him on the sly. He just picked up some defense & accuracy a bit too quickly for me to think that it was 100% offa the first fight with Toney...even though I do agree with you that he learns from fighting the best...I just can't see that that's the answer...but I could be wrong.

Quote Originally Posted by The Shadow
I haven't made my mind up on Peter yet. There's still more to come and more to see.
Haven't made your mind up on Peter yet, huh? Easy...be careful what you say...heh heh heh. I know that it's a bit juvenille...but it is quite amusing...you must admit. CuteMick got me with those Peter jabs...errrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmm...scratch that... .

Quote Originally Posted by The Shadow
I'm not entirely convinced that he'll walk through Maskaev either, although Maskaev's chin is not Toney's chin, he does hit much harder than Toney. I'm sure that Peter will win the fight, though. That is, if it actually happens.
You know what...as you said early & as I agreed...I aint 100% sold on Peter Samuel either.

I go back & forth with my thoughts on Maskaev & his future opponents. Maskaev could be the odd man out in the group...he could be the one that shocks us all.

Look at it like this...the old man's been to hell & back with his career. He's gone through all the ups & downs & now he's back & seemingly more confident than ever. Maskaev's got the experience...then again...so did Toney...but again...as you said...Maskaev can crack.

I still want to say that Sam wins...but again...I could be wrong. Have been before.

Also... . Nice discussion with some well debated points. Cheers.