Quote Originally Posted by landmine950
Quote Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
Landmine this is getting wayyy old now...
This is a serious topic... why do you have to go putting silly comments?
Its a joke..I mean if you had something worth while to say then feel free...But its just rip this fighter rip that fighter..It gets boring...
Quote Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
Quote Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
Quote Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'
i don't consider toney or PBF to have unorthadox defenses
Really?

Well they do..No doubt about it...You need some serious skill to pull of the shoulder roll and counters teqnique....
James becuase it works so well with his punching style..And Floyd because i once saw him do it for at least 30 40 seconds strait under none stop punches..Just roll away from the left capture the right over and over against phillip Ndou..
Very nice...
Seriously one ina million can use this type of defence and be effective at total world class level...
And considering neither fighter has been stopped..But if your not on the money with it your open..
That is really something.
the move that PBF and toney use aren't unorthodox. alot of fighters use those moves. it's just that there really good.
Well...Perhaps..But i wouldnt consider the moves that everyone else tries to make effective as the same things..Its one thing doing it ..a complete other mastering it.. Its certainly not normal and household skills for sure..But i see where you come from.. Its likely that when they learned this stuff it was very distinctly unorthadox..But since so many people have tried to duplicate it ..Its become somewhat norm...

Another guy is Prince naseem...Used to lean at such funny angles and come up with very dangerous shots....Unless your something seriously special you dont wana throw uppercuts at such a long range like naz did..lol
Wondered how long it would take you to flip if i dissed your man!
LOL
But seriously.. His defensive style is mastery,chin tuck and shoulder roll.
But the side bob doesnt work against taller guys. He wasn't able to adapt to peter's improvements,and did come up too square and did slip due to being off balance and was off balance quite a bit.
I'd really like to see him down at cruiser. He's gain speed, and have enough POP that his counters (that he landed perfectly flush against peter)
would have a much greater effect.
THEN his defensive skills would shine again....IMO
Lol Your a big tease !!

But your right toney would dominate at cruiser but i firmly doubt toney will ever have to make weight again...