Is WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO the next MUHAMMAD ALI

[dmxkolyrics]

Lets sum up this whole thread in one statement: If you ask someone around the world today to name a heavyweight boxer, is Wladimir klitschko ever gonna be their first choice? No. you will get (in order)

1. Ali
2. Tyson
and
3. De la hoya (let me explain this last choice. During my time in prob stat class i did some math and found out that upwards of 16% of the worlds population will have a barely-functional or lower iq level. These are probably the three most publicized boxers of all time. I'm sure if you asked some of the "intellectually challenged" people in america or anywhere else de la hoya would show up quite readily as an answer to this question.)

And if you ask someone to name a make of a car they would probably say Ford or Chevrolet but it doesn't mean they make the best cars!Ali gets shoved down everyones throats every day!ESPN classics should be renamed the Ali network!Ali was the self proclaimed greatest and everyone has bought into this even if they haven't seen one of his fights!Marketing is an amazing thing.I won't even get into comparing Wladimir with Ali because they are very different all around and there is absolutely no way to make a legitimate comparison having fought in different eras.

i agree

The thing is this.....Wlad is not even the best of his era so how can he be compared to a legend? End of story.

What fighter is better right now than Wladimir?

OH COME ON!!! that's easy!!!

just look at the records!

VALUEV!

ok so if it come down to record that mean brian nielsen is beter than muhammad ali, joe louise and lennox lewis in ur case

brian nielsen record is 62 win and 2 losses there the proof Brian Nielsen http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=004681

lennox lewis 41 win 2 losses
muhammad ali record is 56 win and 5 losses
joe louis record is 69 win 3 losses

[powerstorm]

record mean nothing to a certain extent

valuev aint even cannot be compared to wlad shadow
and nither can brian be compare to ali, lewis or even joe louis

[Bx730NY]

Lets sum up this whole thread in one statement: If you ask someone around the world today to name a heavyweight boxer, is Wladimir klitschko ever gonna be their first choice? No. you will get (in order)

1. Ali
2. Tyson
and
3. De la hoya (let me explain this last choice. During my time in prob stat class i did some math and found out that upwards of 16% of the worlds population will have a barely-functional or lower iq level. These are probably the three most publicized boxers of all time. I'm sure if you asked some of the "intellectually challenged" people in america or anywhere else de la hoya would show up quite readily as an answer to this question.)

And if you ask someone to name a make of a car they would probably say Ford or Chevrolet but it doesn't mean they make the best cars!Ali gets shoved down everyones throats every day!ESPN classics should be renamed the Ali network!Ali was the self proclaimed greatest and everyone has bought into this even if they haven't seen one of his fights!Marketing is an amazing thing.I won't even get into comparing Wladimir with Ali because they are very different all around and there is absolutely no way to make a legitimate comparison having fought in different eras.

i agree

The thing is this.....Wlad is not even the best of his era so how can he be compared to a legend? End of story.

What fighter is better right now than Wladimir?

He would not have beaten Peter without holding so that means Peter is better. He's gonna avoid Peter at all costs, trust me. Especially now that Peter has improved.

[dmxkolyrics]

Lets sum up this whole thread in one statement: If you ask someone around the world today to name a heavyweight boxer, is Wladimir klitschko ever gonna be their first choice? No. you will get (in order)

1. Ali
2. Tyson
and
3. De la hoya (let me explain this last choice. During my time in prob stat class i did some math and found out that upwards of 16% of the worlds population will have a barely-functional or lower iq level. These are probably the three most publicized boxers of all time. I'm sure if you asked some of the "intellectually challenged" people in america or anywhere else de la hoya would show up quite readily as an answer to this question.)

And if you ask someone to name a make of a car they would probably say Ford or Chevrolet but it doesn't mean they make the best cars!Ali gets shoved down everyones throats every day!ESPN classics should be renamed the Ali network!Ali was the self proclaimed greatest and everyone has bought into this even if they haven't seen one of his fights!Marketing is an amazing thing.I won't even get into comparing Wladimir with Ali because they are very different all around and there is absolutely no way to make a legitimate comparison having fought in different eras.

i agree

The thing is this.....Wlad is not even the best of his era so how can he be compared to a legend? End of story.

What fighter is better right now than Wladimir?

He would not have beaten Peter without holding so that means Peter is better. He's gonna avoid Peter at all costs, trust me. Especially now that Peter has improved.

ok so lennox lost all his fight for holding.

there no way he gona avoid peter but he will knock peter out since he improven, the truth is peter was called the next foreman or tyson before when wladimir flushed him, he become a no one
i remember everyone thought peter was gona ko wlad, the truth is ppl forgot wlad is the youngest gold medaliit of all time at SHW and become world champion at 24, peter is 26 and still has nothing
remember how tyson or prince naseem never were the same fight since they first loss, just like that peter was finish when wlad beat him and peter would have knocked out james toney in 1st round if he was the same fight 1 yr ago. Trust me some ppl never recover from they loss because they obseessed with winning but wlad will knock out peter in rematch because wlad overestimated peter power and basically did just seem to want to win on point than k.o
first let peter fight maskaev, don't forget hasim beat james toney

[Klitsfan]

Here is a few pictures of Ali posing with Wladimir.

[Bx730NY]

Lets sum up this whole thread in one statement: If you ask someone around the world today to name a heavyweight boxer, is Wladimir klitschko ever gonna be their first choice? No. you will get (in order)

1. Ali
2. Tyson
and
3. De la hoya (let me explain this last choice. During my time in prob stat class i did some math and found out that upwards of 16% of the worlds population will have a barely-functional or lower iq level. These are probably the three most publicized boxers of all time. I'm sure if you asked some of the "intellectually challenged" people in america or anywhere else de la hoya would show up quite readily as an answer to this question.)

And if you ask someone to name a make of a car they would probably say Ford or Chevrolet but it doesn't mean they make the best cars!Ali gets shoved down everyones throats every day!ESPN classics should be renamed the Ali network!Ali was the self proclaimed greatest and everyone has bought into this even if they haven't seen one of his fights!Marketing is an amazing thing.I won't even get into comparing Wladimir with Ali because they are very different all around and there is absolutely no way to make a legitimate comparison having fought in different eras.

i agree

The thing is this.....Wlad is not even the best of his era so how can he be compared to a legend? End of story.

What fighter is better right now than Wladimir?

He would not have beaten Peter without holding so that means Peter is better. He's gonna avoid Peter at all costs, trust me. Especially now that Peter has improved.

ok so lennox lost all his fight for holding.

there no way he gona avoid peter but he will knock peter out since he improven, the truth is peter was called the next foreman or tyson before when wladimir flushed him, he become a no one
i remember everyone thought peter was gona ko wlad, the truth is ppl forgot wlad is the youngest gold medaliit of all time at SHW and become world champion at 24, peter is 26 and still has nothing
remember how tyson or prince naseem never were the same fight since they first loss, just like that peter was finish when wlad beat him and peter would have knocked out james toney in 1st round if he was the same fight 1 yr ago. Trust me some ppl never recover from they loss because they obseessed with winning but wlad will knock out peter in rematch because wlad overestimated peter power and basically did just seem to want to win on point than k.o
first let peter fight maskaev, don't forget hasim beat james toney

This is not the amateurs. Peter is not the Nigerian Nightmare. He's Wlad's worst nightmare. Wlad was holding Byrd for gods sake and he is certainly not known for power so you are obviously just a Wlad fan and not a knowledgeable boxing fan. Klitchko fan at least makes me think.

[BrooklyniteQueen]

Here is a few pictures of Ali posing with Wladimir.

aww thats cute

Maybe in honor of him Wladimer should wear white trunks and black gloves I would pay a lot of money to see him shuffle. And of course Merchant would cream himself.....

[beerjelly]

Wow! I cant believe this thread has got 20 pages when surely a simple 'No' could have answered this. Ali was the greatest of all time, Klitschko is the probably the best of a bad bunch right now - and I do only say probably. Before he can be called the best for certain he needs to start unifying.

[Bx730NY]

wladimir klitschko power is way to good for peter, this is a fact, klitschko has improved alot since 2001 and in 2001 klitschko destroyed charles shufford, charles shufford played george foreman role in the movie called ali in 2001, at this time charless shufford was recoognised at one of the best HW boxer at the time, but klitschko knock him down in 3 rounds and finally knock him out
And guess what samuel peter fought charless shufford 2 years ago and peter barely beat charless shufford on points by this time charles shufford wasn't even rank in the top hundred and also was a nobody because he had 5 losses just before getting in the ring with peter, charless shufford hasn't lost a fight since peter but is ranked 195
this is all the proof
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=009083

Oh yeah Wlad is better because of that. Maybe that's why Maskaev is running from Peter and trying to fight Wlad right. Wlad would not be held in such high regard without holding period. Peter has earned his way by getting better with each fight while Wlad just revived his career by holding so he doesn't get KTFO.

[JT Rock]

Nope, he's not... Not even a little bit!!!!!

[Klitsfan]

wladimir klitschko power is way to good for peter, this is a fact, klitschko has improved alot since 2001 and in 2001 klitschko destroyed charles shufford, charles shufford played george foreman role in the movie called ali in 2001, at this time charless shufford was recoognised at one of the best HW boxer at the time, but klitschko knock him down in 3 rounds and finally knock him out
And guess what samuel peter fought charless shufford 2 years ago and peter barely beat charless shufford on points by this time charles shufford wasn't even rank in the top hundred and also was a nobody because he had 5 losses just before getting in the ring with peter, charless shufford hasn't lost a fight since peter but is ranked 195
this is all the proof
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=009083

Oh yeah Wlad is better because of that. Maybe that's why Maskaev is running from Peter and trying to fight Wlad right. Wlad would not be held in such high regard without holding period. Peter has earned his way by getting better with each fight while Wlad just revived his career by holding so he doesn't get KTFO.

Maskaev is not running from Peter, he is going after the fight which makes the most money!Wladimir is the main guy at heavyweight.It is as simple as that.

[CountryBoy]

Klitschko would knock him out

[landmine950]

Well first of all, let look at the facts!
Ali won a gold medal at 18 years old (light-heayweight boxing)
Wladmir Klitschko won a gold medal at 20 yeaars old (super-heayweight boxing)
Ali become heavyweight champion at 22 years old
Wladimir become heavyweight champion at 24 years
3 years after ali became youngest heavyweight champion, Ali was stripped of from his title due to racism, at the age of 29 ali lost his first fight after becoming the heavyweight champion of the world but reclaim his title 3 years later from the great george foreman.
Wladimir lost his first fight at age 27 after becoming the heayweight champion but also reclaimed his title 3 years later from the longest reigning champion (chris byrd).
Ali was very tall for a man in the 1960's
Wladimir is very tall for a man in the 20 century.
Both boxer are very good looking
Ali is very intellingent as we know itWladimir is very intellingent Don't fortget his p.h.d
Both boxer have the best personality ever in the world, as well as one of the nicest people ever they are.
Ali had contact with political leader like malcolm X also Wladimir brother was trying to be a mayor of of kiev, my point is Wladimir has contact with political leaders too.And my main point is there wladimir and ali are so similar that the only diffferent between ali and wladimir is that Ali has been there and done it and wladimir is going through the same path at this present time.
NOT JUST BOXER!
NOT JUST SPORTMAN!
But, the whole world Should watch out for Wladimir because he is going to be the next GREATEST
NOT JUST THE GREATEST BOXER
NOT JUST THE GREATEST SPORTMAN
BUT THE GREATEST PERSON TO EVER LIVE

First, A nice post an I for one appreciate the details regarding accomplishments ,times ages etc.

BUT, If I may be allowed to offer a few minor corrections,regarding what you have presented as "FACTS."

1) " Ali was stripped of from his title due to racism"



actual fact.

April 29, 1967
New York Lifts Crown in Swift Move
By THOMAS ROGERS
Only a few hours after he had refused to be inducted yesterday into the armed forces of the United States, Cassius Clay was stripped of his world heavyweight boxing championship by the major governing authorities of the sport in this country and Europe.

The New York State Athletic Commission, in a statement issued by Edwin B. Dooley, the chairman, announced it had "unanimously decided to suspend his [Clay's] boxing license indefinitely and to withdraw recognition of him as world heavyweight champion."

Mr. Dooley said, "His refusal to enter the service is regarded by the commission to be detrimental to the best interests of boxing."

Please note that regardless of an individuals opinion this action at the time was a crime. furthermore.

He was also convicted for refusing induction into the army and sentenced to five years in prison.

Ali said "War is against the teachings of the Holy Qur'an. I'm not trying to dodge the draft. We are not supposed to take part in no wars unless declared by Allah or The Messenger. We don't take part in Christian wars or wars of any unbelievers."

Based on this it might be assumed that Ali would fight in a JIhad or "holy war" agains teh American "unbelievers" such as Is the insperation and justification for the 9-11 attacks

2) Ali is very intellingent as we know it

In 1964, Ali failed the Armed Forces qualifying test because his writing and spelling skills were subpar.

His poems and rhymes were considered juvinile and simple minded.


3) Both boxer have the best personality ever in the world, as well as one of the nicest people ever they are.

On February 6, 1967, Ali returned to a Houston boxing ring to fight Terrell in what became one of the uglier fights in boxing. Terrell had angered Ali by calling him Clay, and the champion vowed to punish him for this insult. During the fight, Ali kept shouting at his opponent, "What's my name, Uncle Tom ... What's my name." Terrell suffered 15 rounds of brutal punishment, losing 13 of 15 rounds on two judges' scorecards, but Ali did not knock him out. Analysts, including several who spoke to ESPN on the sports channel's "Ali Rap" special, speculated that the fight only continued because Ali chose not to end it, choosing instead to further punish Terrell. After the fight, Tex Maule wrote, "It was a wonderful demonstration of boxing skill and a barbarous display of cruelty."


4) Ali had contact with political leader like malcolm X also Wladimir brother was trying to be a mayor of of kiev, my point is Wladimir has contact with political leaders too.
fact:

While Wladimir is a legitimate political participant Ali was a simple minded person who was manipulated by Malcom X and used as a publicity pawn. This is my opinion.

Here's my reasoning.

Ali was named after his father Cassius Clay Sr. who was named after a famous Anti-Slavery hero. This man was and is Respected and Honoured by Black Activists both then and Now. heres a bit about him.

He opposed the annexation of Texas, supported Henry Clay, and served in the Mexican-American War. He was an opponent of slavery and supported Abraham Lincoln for the presidency. In 1861, after the outbreak of the Civil War, President Lincoln nominated Clay for the post of ambassador to Spain, but Clay declined the appointment.[3] From 1861 to 1862, and from 1863 to 1869, he was Minister to Russia, where he was influential in the negotiations to purchase Alaska. In 1886 he published his speeches, edited by Horace Greeley. In 1896 he was prominent as a "gold" Democrat.

His colorful and violent career as an outspoken emancipationist (wanting to end slavery) in a slave-holding region included owning and publishing the True American, an antislavery newspaper in Lexington, Kentucky (moved to Cincinnati, Ohio), and has been chronicled in both his autobiography and in a much later biography. During the Wickliffe–Garret Davis debate at Russell's Cave Spring in 1843, Clay was attacked by a hired assassin named Samuel Brown. Brown shot Clay in the chest, but Clay defended himself vigorously, cutting his attacker's nose off and cutting out an eye with a Bowie knife. Clay sponsored his friend Rev. John G. Fee's abolitionist ministry in Madison County, Kentucky, and indirectly contributed to Fee's founding of the town of Berea and of Berea College.

Clay died July 22, 1903. Survivors included his daughter, the women's rights activist Laura Clay. His family home, White Hall, is now maintained by the Commonwealth of Kentucky as White Hall State Historic Shrine.

The world-famous professional boxer Muhammad Ali was originally named Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr. after his father, Cassius Marcellus Clay, Sr., who was named for the emancipationist.

The name of Ali's father and Ali jr were taken as a sign ofrespect and affermation of one heroic man's fight against slavery...however..

Malcolm X provided Clay with the name Cassius X, discarding his surname as a "symbol of his ancestors' enslavement."

When In fact it was just the opposite.

On Friday, March 6, 1964 Malcolm X announced that Clay would be granted his "X." That same night, Elijah Muhammad recorded a statement over the phone to be played over the radio that Clay would be renamed Muhammad (the prophet of Islam) Ali.

No instuction is given in any form in the Qur'an (the muslim bible) for the "granting" or changing of names by any religious instructer over any other believer.


In Conclusion.. this discussion may be a bit "deep" for some of you younger members here. BUT always look at the facts and make your own informed determinations about things.


As for the part about Klitschko being the greatest person to ever live.....that statement is simply ridiculous,stupid,moronic and totally foolish......everyone should know by now that that kind of a title for a boxer could only be applied to..... [size=20pt]NICOLAI VALUEV!!!!![/size]



(just kidding for those of you I lost there!)

[landmine950]

maybe I should start a post
"Does Ali's drool heal the lame"

[Slowmotion]

ok then the next greatest person to live after muhammad ali!

Ali sucked. Klitchsko is a much greater fighter than Ali ever said he was.