Quote Originally Posted by RONNIE
Well first of all, let look at the facts!
Ali won a gold medal at 18 years old (light-heayweight boxing)
Wladmir Klitschko won a gold medal at 20 yeaars old (super-heayweight boxing)
Ali become heavyweight champion at 22 years old
Wladimir become heavyweight champion at 24 years
3 years after ali became youngest heavyweight champion, Ali was stripped of from his title due to racism, at the age of 29 ali lost his first fight after becoming the heavyweight champion of the world but reclaim his title 3 years later from the great george foreman.
Wladimir lost his first fight at age 27 after becoming the heayweight champion but also reclaimed his title 3 years later from the longest reigning champion (chris byrd).
Ali was very tall for a man in the 1960's
Wladimir is very tall for a man in the 20 century.
Both boxer are very good looking
Ali is very intellingent as we know itWladimir is very intellingent Don't fortget his p.h.d
Both boxer have the best personality ever in the world, as well as one of the nicest people ever they are.
Ali had contact with political leader like malcolm X also Wladimir brother was trying to be a mayor of of kiev, my point is Wladimir has contact with political leaders too.And my main point is there wladimir and ali are so similar that the only diffferent between ali and wladimir is that Ali has been there and done it and wladimir is going through the same path at this present time.
NOT JUST BOXER!
NOT JUST SPORTMAN!
But, the whole world Should watch out for Wladimir because he is going to be the next GREATEST
NOT JUST THE GREATEST BOXER
NOT JUST THE GREATEST SPORTMAN
BUT THE GREATEST PERSON TO EVER LIVE


First, A nice post an I for one appreciate the details regarding accomplishments ,times ages etc.

BUT, If I may be allowed to offer a few minor corrections,regarding what you have presented as "FACTS."

1) " Ali was stripped of from his title due to racism"



actual fact.

April 29, 1967
New York Lifts Crown in Swift Move
By THOMAS ROGERS
Only a few hours after he had refused to be inducted yesterday into the armed forces of the United States, Cassius Clay was stripped of his world heavyweight boxing championship by the major governing authorities of the sport in this country and Europe.

The New York State Athletic Commission, in a statement issued by Edwin B. Dooley, the chairman, announced it had "unanimously decided to suspend his [Clay's] boxing license indefinitely and to withdraw recognition of him as world heavyweight champion."

Mr. Dooley said, "His refusal to enter the service is regarded by the commission to be detrimental to the best interests of boxing."

Please note that regardless of an individuals opinion this action at the time was a crime. furthermore.

He was also convicted for refusing induction into the army and sentenced to five years in prison.

Ali said "War is against the teachings of the Holy Qur'an. I'm not trying to dodge the draft. We are not supposed to take part in no wars unless declared by Allah or The Messenger. We don't take part in Christian wars or wars of any unbelievers."

Based on this it might be assumed that Ali would fight in a JIhad or "holy war" agains teh American "unbelievers" such as Is the insperation and justification for the 9-11 attacks

2) Ali is very intellingent as we know it

In 1964, Ali failed the Armed Forces qualifying test because his writing and spelling skills were subpar.

His poems and rhymes were considered juvinile and simple minded.


3) Both boxer have the best personality ever in the world, as well as one of the nicest people ever they are.

On February 6, 1967, Ali returned to a Houston boxing ring to fight Terrell in what became one of the uglier fights in boxing. Terrell had angered Ali by calling him Clay, and the champion vowed to punish him for this insult. During the fight, Ali kept shouting at his opponent, "What's my name, Uncle Tom ... What's my name." Terrell suffered 15 rounds of brutal punishment, losing 13 of 15 rounds on two judges' scorecards, but Ali did not knock him out. Analysts, including several who spoke to ESPN on the sports channel's "Ali Rap" special, speculated that the fight only continued because Ali chose not to end it, choosing instead to further punish Terrell. After the fight, Tex Maule wrote, "It was a wonderful demonstration of boxing skill and a barbarous display of cruelty."


4) Ali had contact with political leader like malcolm X also Wladimir brother was trying to be a mayor of of kiev, my point is Wladimir has contact with political leaders too.
fact:

While Wladimir is a legitimate political participant Ali was a simple minded person who was manipulated by Malcom X and used as a publicity pawn. This is my opinion.

Here's my reasoning.

Ali was named after his father Cassius Clay Sr. who was named after a famous Anti-Slavery hero. This man was and is Respected and Honoured by Black Activists both then and Now. heres a bit about him.

He opposed the annexation of Texas, supported Henry Clay, and served in the Mexican-American War. He was an opponent of slavery and supported Abraham Lincoln for the presidency. In 1861, after the outbreak of the Civil War, President Lincoln nominated Clay for the post of ambassador to Spain, but Clay declined the appointment.[3] From 1861 to 1862, and from 1863 to 1869, he was Minister to Russia, where he was influential in the negotiations to purchase Alaska. In 1886 he published his speeches, edited by Horace Greeley. In 1896 he was prominent as a "gold" Democrat.

His colorful and violent career as an outspoken emancipationist (wanting to end slavery) in a slave-holding region included owning and publishing the True American, an antislavery newspaper in Lexington, Kentucky (moved to Cincinnati, Ohio), and has been chronicled in both his autobiography and in a much later biography. During the Wickliffe–Garret Davis debate at Russell's Cave Spring in 1843, Clay was attacked by a hired assassin named Samuel Brown. Brown shot Clay in the chest, but Clay defended himself vigorously, cutting his attacker's nose off and cutting out an eye with a Bowie knife. Clay sponsored his friend Rev. John G. Fee's abolitionist ministry in Madison County, Kentucky, and indirectly contributed to Fee's founding of the town of Berea and of Berea College.

Clay died July 22, 1903. Survivors included his daughter, the women's rights activist Laura Clay. His family home, White Hall, is now maintained by the Commonwealth of Kentucky as White Hall State Historic Shrine.

The world-famous professional boxer Muhammad Ali was originally named Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr. after his father, Cassius Marcellus Clay, Sr., who was named for the emancipationist.

The name of Ali's father and Ali jr were taken as a sign ofrespect and affermation of one heroic man's fight against slavery...however..

Malcolm X provided Clay with the name Cassius X, discarding his surname as a "symbol of his ancestors' enslavement."

When In fact it was just the opposite.

On Friday, March 6, 1964 Malcolm X announced that Clay would be granted his "X." That same night, Elijah Muhammad recorded a statement over the phone to be played over the radio that Clay would be renamed Muhammad (the prophet of Islam) Ali.

No instuction is given in any form in the Qur'an (the muslim bible) for the "granting" or changing of names by any religious instructer over any other believer.


In Conclusion.. this discussion may be a bit "deep" for some of you younger members here. BUT always look at the facts and make your own informed determinations about things.


As for the part about Klitschko being the greatest person to ever live.....that statement is simply ridiculous,stupid,moronic and totally foolish......everyone should know by now that that kind of a title for a boxer could only be applied to..... [size=20pt]NICOLAI VALUEV!!!!![/size]



(just kidding for those of you I lost there!)