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I've posted extensivley on self defence and real fighting previously. In short a striking art such as boxing and a support system such as judo if it gets in close will basically own everything else. If you are proficient in boxing and judo it covers pretty much every range.

There is so much more to self defence though. Awareness, body language, loop holing. Ive studied and practiced Judo and self defence concepts for years. Here is a post i made on it quite some time ago. Its in response to another post so it may seem a little out of context.

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Can't believe no-one has mentioned Judo. Its pressure tested (competition), is adaptable and is widely known and recognised as the best support system in a fight should the fight get close in. Its what a lot of doorman train in. Geoff Thompson (Renowned self protection expert and ex doorman) says judo is the best kept secret in martial arts. I know dan grades that work the doors and they literally OWN every confrontation they find themselves in. Wing Chun is the biggest pile of shyte going (sorry all you wingchunners) I sparred full contact with a Wing Chun red sash and had him submitting 2 times in a couple of mins from two chokes. The 3rd time i threw him on the deck with a bastardised osotogari (grabbing the trachea and powering through) and funnily enough he didn't fancy anymore. Plus their strikes carry zero power (they punch fresh air in training) and under stressful conditions they recall sod all of their fancy straight line punches. The punches carry no weight and are only arm/shoulder punches. Catching a couple on the way in is akin to being hit by a spud gun. (well thats my opinion anyway)

Self defence is so much more than learning to strike. Its all about awareness, situational control, body language, posturing.

I train in Judo (dan grade) and Combatives which is just that. Urban combat. We train to strike pre emptively and cover all bases of combat.We also train eye gouging, biting and all manner of nasty stuff (of course we can't train gouging, biting full contact!!) Judo is my support system.

My advice? Train 3 or 4 pre emptive strikes and drill them until they are second nature.Use correct body mechanics (you will need a teacher for this...dont bother with books). Learn to hit fukcing hard and hit first. When you are faced with a real situation and adrenaline is a factor all your learned fancy training and targetting will go out the window. You will rely on a few gross motor strikes. Judo is the best support system because it is pressure tested in competition. Forget BJJ...if you go to the ground in a bar you are IN THE S*** and someone (anyone...not even someone involved in the altercation) will feel the need to play football with your head.

Look up F.A.S.T training. Fear and Adrenal Stress Training. A lot of martial artsist have had a bit of a shock when attending on of these courses. Suddenly their Karate 'death punches' don't do S*** under the infuelnce of adrenaline.

In summary train strikes (3 or 4)...my suggestion. Elbow,Hammerfist,tiger claw palm strike (you don't want to hit a skull with bare knuckles..learning open hand strikes will allow you to employ continuous attack rather than F****** your hand with the first punch) and chinjab.Traing them hard with full agression and if possible get your training partner to simualte adrenaline by calling you all sorts of names,getting in your face, spitting at you. Then train them pre-emptively hitting the pad with 110% agression and with all the force you can muster. We are looking for a one punch knockout here if that doesn't happen you wan't contiunous attack until the threat has gone.Basically its all about fighting until there is f*ck all to fight about. Combatives is not a two way conversation...its a one sided f*cking beating.

Choose Judo as your support system should the fight get in close. It teaches you weight displacement and body mechanics. Enabling you to get back into a position to win the fight from a standup. Also you can slam the c*nt into the deck. Ever been thrown on concrete from a judoka? You aint getting up.

Minsdet also plays a huge part in self defence. Train agression 110% when you train. You need to be able to flick a swtich in your head and be at 110% agression and fight until the very end.

Self defence/urban combat regardless of art is 80% aggression 20% technique. Ever seen squaddies (soldiers) fight? They are some of the most ferocious fighters i have ever seen yet they hardly have any formal training. Yet their mindset is second to none for out and out aggression.

Thats my two penneth anyway.

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Hope this helps
you know me... I've come to really respect judo, but I saw this one vid of greco roman wrestling and hot dang, those guys had some pretty wicked awesome throws too. I never knew that about wrestlers. I thought is was just touch, touch, touch, go for a take done. But they were some pretty nasty belly-belly suplexes I guess you'd call them. Obviously the submissions aren't there though...
I go to another class with a fella from eastern europe who did greco roman wrestling. Fookin hell he is one tough bastard. We always have a laugh when we spar. Granted its got some huge slam type things going on and looks awesome. Those are fight enders right there!