Quote Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
Good points, your becoming a hell of a poster on this forum, but not to penalize his fights at 160 is absurd. He lost to fighters ( I include Sturm) who outboxed him, and there has been many boxers that have moved up in wieght and lost without having a get out of jail freecard like Oscar (Trinidad, Toney, Mayorga, etc). He lost the fight to Bernard Hopkins because Bernard Hopkins was a better boxer.
Bernard was a better boxer. That's why I don't let DLH's loss to him impact my thoughts on DLH. I had no expectation of DLH winning, so when he lost, it didn't make me think any less of him. I expected him to lose.
On the other hand, I thought DLH was the better, more complete boxer going into the Quartey, Trinidad, and Mosley fights. And in my opinion he went 0-2-1 in those fights. So I penalize him for those fights because he performed below my expectations.
I think you can penalize Trinidad for his performances at 160 and not Oscar without being hypocritical. Trinidad was a naturally bigger fighter. Trinidad fought the entire first part of his career at 147 and actually had to leave that weight class because it was too tough to make weight. DLH started all the way down at 130. He went up past 147 in search of big fights, not because he couldn't make weight.
I think Hopkins beat DLH because he was better AND bigger. I think Hopkins beat Tito simply because he was much better. Trinidad was just as hard a puncher as Hopkins, if not harder.