Yup. CC. I'm with you.Originally Posted by undefeated
Yup. CC. I'm with you.Originally Posted by undefeated
I regard this fight as a pickem.. The Douglas that beat Tyson could have hung or beat most great Heavies who ever existed that night, he wasnt gonna be denied, he used the jab very well to control Tyson and put Combos together well, he also absorbed heavy punishment from Tyson, in retrospect Tyson hit a hell of alot harder than Holyfield and he sparked Douglas out with a right hand.. Like I said a once in a lifetime performance but a good one at that....
I say Pickem cause Ali lost to Norton, Frazier.. so he can be beat... Just like Tyson was
I hate to hear about Shavers and Foreman hitting Harder than Tyson.. Those guys were slow Concussive punchers,Tyson in his prime was a balance of a concussive puncher gifted with Middleweight handspeed which is just not fairhe put his punches together a hell of alot faster and powerfully than either of those guys and thats a Fact!!!!
true ali of the 70's could be beat.......not easily though----however the 60's float like a butterfly/ sting like a bee ali, was unbeatable. so take the 60's ali vs a prime tyson, and u get a ali by udOriginally Posted by JT Rock
i love ali with all my heart (no homo) but didnt the 60s float like a butterfly sting like a bee ali get dropped on his assOriginally Posted by undefeated
Ali was undefeated until Frazier beat him in 1971. Pre-67 Ali was undefeated. The Ali who beat Liston takes Tyson by late TKO. If Quick Tillis could go 10 with Tyson and take 3 or 4 rounds, then for sure Ali could chip him down.Originally Posted by the phenom
We really don't know how good Tyson could have been. No question he was an unbelievable athlete. He was heading the right direction under Gus D'amato...but after his death Tyson was never the same fighter. His early career was filled with spectacular knockouts....but not against the best competition. You can argue that he really only faced two truly great opponents...Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield....and he got his ass handed to him both times. Now ,I understand that when he fought these two, he wasn't the fighter he once was...but those are still the two big names on his resume....and he convincingly lost against both of them. As for his loss against Buster Douglas....it was a combination of Buster having fought his absolute best and Tyson already being on the slide. The thing about Tyson is...that he was never a smart fighter...he relied on his athleticism to prevail all the time...add to that all the extra emotional baggage he always seems to carry with him....and you have a fighter that you sense wouldn't have the will to dig deep in a battle. As for Ali...his career speaks for itself. The Ali before his exile, was as good a fighter that has ever laced them up in my opinion...just a magnificent athlete. The Ali after exile was still a great athlete...but he also showed his incredible chin, iron will, and ability to rise to an occasion. He could win as much with his will and mind, as he could with his physical ability. Ali fought great fighter, including some of the hardest punchers of all time, and he won. Tyson at his prime would certainly pose a great challenge....but Ali had way too much speed and smarts.
a prime ali could beat a prime tyson.
tyson was very similar to liston and ali beat liston so...
Ali would run circles around tyson he is the better boxer and the better person.
Ali was also a better sportsmen, taking care of himself, training hard, and now hes fighting poverty...top quality guy.
Where is tyson now?
http://www.boxingdaily.co.uk/mike-ty...-bad-to-worse/
Hes just a common junkie...
zhubin When Tyson boxed Lewis and Holyfeild he wasnt at his best , But neither were they.
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I think a prime Mike Tyson may have stopped Ali late on, even though every one says Buster Douglas would have beat any heavyweight on the night he beat Tyson aint we forgetting something? Tyson should have been awarded the knockout victory in the 8th round i think it was when the ref gave a slow count, i dont have a problem with the fact Douglas beat him but im just saying what i think.
Ali's mental edge and physical ability would bewilder and befuddle Mike Tyson....Ali beat Floyd Patterson with ease and he withstood punches from George Foreman/Earnie Shavers/Joe Frazier......ALI EASY
Tyson had no heart to beat any all-time greats except for those who were of lighter weight classes or past their prime.
Tyson idolized Cus D'Amato and only wanted to please him. I say the Tyson that fought with Cus D'Amato brainwashing/driving him would not quit, lose his cool or composure. Agreed that the Tyson that fought Douglas and mostly everyone else would lose to Ali, I just am not so sure about the pre-death of D'Amato Tyson. I think past-prime Ali does better against Tyson because of his increased craft.Originally Posted by Lyle
Whatever...Cus could never beat Ali....OR Sonny Liston with ANY fighter!!!!
yes--but all the all time greats have hit the canvas--sooner or later --the 60's ali got floored--but he never lost--pre-fight ,he would play head games with tyson--then on fight night he'd run circles around tyson tearing his face up 2 shreds.Originally Posted by the phenom
if quick tillis stood up 2 tyson and did that well against a prime tyson---imagine what ali could do
ali would dismantle the pathetic tyson.
man u deserve a sc but i wont ill jus say this its cool to have opinions jus make sure there reasonableOriginally Posted by barbaro
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