Calzaghe vs Froch

[sanj16]

I'm pretty sure that most people here are disappointed with him choosing Manfredi. Was in the gym the other day and had a brief chat with Froch (not that he knows me, just that he was training at the same time) about who he was thinking of fighting next. He mentioned a European, but just to keep ticking over, but they were trying to get him a bigger fight. He said that he would love to fight Calzaghe but that he was going after money and that he could understand why, but that he would like to fight Kessler. He said that they were all world class.
I think that the problem that he has is the the same as Witter. He is a huge risk, that they don't want to take right now.
Honestly speaking, all these top fighters know in their heart of hearts what fights they need to take that would make them legends, and if any of them truely believed in their own ability they would. Calzaghe would take on Froch and Hatton would put Witter to bed.
They are both opponents that are a lot more credible than their next opponents. The only reason they are not has to be that they are not worth the risk.
Opinions?

[ono]

I'm pretty sure that most people here are disappointed with him choosing Manfredi. Was in the gym the other day and had a brief chat with Froch (not that he knows me, just that he was training at the same time) about who he was thinking of fighting next. He mentioned a European, but just to keep ticking over, but they were trying to get him a bigger fight. He said that he would love to fight Calzaghe but that he was going after money and that he could understand why, but that he would like to fight Kessler. He said that they were all world class.
I think that the problem that he has is the the same as Witter. He is a huge risk, that they don't want to take right now.
Honestly speaking, all these top fighters know in their heart of hearts what fights they need to take that would make them legends, and if any of them truely believed in their own ability they would. Calzaghe would take on Froch and Hatton would put Witter to bed.
They are both opponents that are a lot more credible than their next opponents. The only reason they are not has to be that they are not worth the risk.
Opinions?

No it goes deeper then that. It's not a case of quickly putting Witter or Froch to bed. For hatton and calzaghe it also takes up about 3 months of training camp and sacrifice, takes up a tv date that could be used to show a more financially advantageous fight. HBO won't want hatton vs Witter or Calzaghe vs Froch, they want big names that are recognised in the states. Thats what sells there ppv events. Witter is a decent name but his style is boring and his recent performances haven't done anything to suggest that he is capable of putting on a decent show. All in all a fight with these two just isn't really worth anything for hatton or calzaghe. It doesn't financially make any sense at the minute. It may do in a year or so but i suspect it would take a massive win from either Witter or Froch or a shock loss from Hatton or Calzaghe to make this fight a more realstic option.

[Preme]

I'm pretty sure that most people here are disappointed with him choosing Manfredi. Was in the gym the other day and had a brief chat with Froch (not that he knows me, just that he was training at the same time) about who he was thinking of fighting next. He mentioned a European, but just to keep ticking over, but they were trying to get him a bigger fight. He said that he would love to fight Calzaghe but that he was going after money and that he could understand why, but that he would like to fight Kessler. He said that they were all world class.
I think that the problem that he has is the the same as Witter. He is a huge risk, that they don't want to take right now.
Honestly speaking, all these top fighters know in their heart of hearts what fights they need to take that would make them legends, and if any of them truely believed in their own ability they would. Calzaghe would take on Froch and Hatton would put Witter to bed.
They are both opponents that are a lot more credible than their next opponents. The only reason they are not has to be that they are not worth the risk.
Opinions?

are you smoking crack? you think calzaghe needs froch to make him a legend? like shit he does, he beats froch he proves nothing! hes beaten fighter alot better or alot more proven on the world stage than froch already.. with name slike hopkins, wright, taylor, kessler out there why the hell would froch even be an option right now??

Same with hatton, with Castillo, mayweather, Cotto out there why witter?

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Becasue their all British... And we Brits rule the world and therefore are legends by default.

Hope this proves relative to the subject of debate

[Scrap]

The fights arnt made because they are a risk to the fighter, but a bigger risk to the promoter and investment, never take an unbeaten riser from a different promotional company its bad business

[sanj16]

I'm pretty sure that most people here are disappointed with him choosing Manfredi. Was in the gym the other day and had a brief chat with Froch (not that he knows me, just that he was training at the same time) about who he was thinking of fighting next. He mentioned a European, but just to keep ticking over, but they were trying to get him a bigger fight. He said that he would love to fight Calzaghe but that he was going after money and that he could understand why, but that he would like to fight Kessler. He said that they were all world class.
I think that the problem that he has is the the same as Witter. He is a huge risk, that they don't want to take right now.
Honestly speaking, all these top fighters know in their heart of hearts what fights they need to take that would make them legends, and if any of them truely believed in their own ability they would. Calzaghe would take on Froch and Hatton would put Witter to bed.
They are both opponents that are a lot more credible than their next opponents. The only reason they are not has to be that they are not worth the risk.
Opinions?

are you smoking crack? you think calzaghe needs froch to make him a legend? like S*** he does, he beats froch he proves nothing! hes beaten fighter alot better or alot more proven on the world stage than froch already.. with name slike hopkins, wright, taylor, kessler out there why the hell would froch even be an option right now??

Same with hatton, with Castillo, mayweather, Cotto out there why witter?

Read my statement again!!!! I didn't say that Calzaghe needed to fight Froch to make him a ledend, I said that he knew the fights that he had to make to make him a legend, theres a difference. Calzaghe needs to fight B-Hop, or back in the day RJJ. If he was truely confident then he would have taken a cut to make these fights. By winning them he would then be able to name his own price. The reason the fight isn't being made is either he is worried that he could loose, or he's more concerned about making money. The same goes for Hatton. No matter how you look at it Witter and Froch are better fights than Manfredo and Urango.

[sanj16]

Because their all British... And we Brits rule the world and therefore are legends by default.

Hope this proves relative to the subject of debate

Again its not because Witter and Froch are legends , its because they are good fights for the public. The reason these fights are not made is because Hatton and Calzaghe don't want to risk them. Again not because they can't win, but is there anyone here who believes that Manfredo and Urango are tougher fights?
This has nothing to do with nationality, just that if you want to be recognised as a world beater then you are expected to fight calibre opponents. Their next fights are hardly going to add weight to their place on a world stage.

[7777]

Becasue their all British... And we Brits rule the world and therefore are legends by default.

Hope this proves relative to the subject of debate

It's true though isn't it?!

Why should Joe give Froch a chance? Because he is British?

Same for Hatton with Witter, granted he has the (paper) WBC strap but he shouldn't give him a fight just because it would be a good match up domestically. He has many many more options across the pond. Castillo, Cotto, Floyd, Chico etc etc

The only way I see either fight happening is if Tony Blair bans our boxers from fighting abroad

Maybe Kessler will give Froch a chance

Why is M'baye's name never linked with Witter? Because it wouldn't sell twenty tickets that is why.

P.s Neither of them are a risk....

[Preme]

I'm pretty sure that most people here are disappointed with him choosing Manfredi. Was in the gym the other day and had a brief chat with Froch (not that he knows me, just that he was training at the same time) about who he was thinking of fighting next. He mentioned a European, but just to keep ticking over, but they were trying to get him a bigger fight. He said that he would love to fight Calzaghe but that he was going after money and that he could understand why, but that he would like to fight Kessler. He said that they were all world class.
I think that the problem that he has is the the same as Witter. He is a huge risk, that they don't want to take right now.
Honestly speaking, all these top fighters know in their heart of hearts what fights they need to take that would make them legends, and if any of them truely believed in their own ability they would. Calzaghe would take on Froch and Hatton would put Witter to bed.
They are both opponents that are a lot more credible than their next opponents. The only reason they are not has to be that they are not worth the risk.
Opinions?

are you smoking crack? you think calzaghe needs froch to make him a legend? like S*** he does, he beats froch he proves nothing! hes beaten fighter alot better or alot more proven on the world stage than froch already.. with name slike hopkins, wright, taylor, kessler out there why the hell would froch even be an option right now??

Same with hatton, with Castillo, mayweather, Cotto out there why witter?

Read my statement again!!!! I didn't say that Calzaghe needed to fight Froch to make him a ledend, I said that he knew the fights that he had to make to make him a legend, theres a difference. Calzaghe needs to fight B-Hop, or back in the day RJJ. If he was truely confident then he would have taken a cut to make these fights. By winning them he would then be able to name his own price. The reason the fight isn't being made is either he is worried that he could loose, or he's more concerned about making money. The same goes for Hatton. No matter how you look at it Witter and Froch are better fights than Manfredo and Urango.

mate, hopkins was offerd a career high pay day back in the day to fight joe in the us, he wnated double it...

[jangeorg]

I'm pretty sure that most people here are disappointed with him choosing Manfredi. Was in the gym the other day and had a brief chat with Froch (not that he knows me, just that he was training at the same time) about who he was thinking of fighting next. He mentioned a European, but just to keep ticking over, but they were trying to get him a bigger fight. He said that he would love to fight Calzaghe but that he was going after money and that he could understand why, but that he would like to fight Kessler. He said that they were all world class.
I think that the problem that he has is the the same as Witter. He is a huge risk, that they don't want to take right now.
Honestly speaking, all these top fighters know in their heart of hearts what fights they need to take that would make them legends, and if any of them truely believed in their own ability they would. Calzaghe would take on Froch and Hatton would put Witter to bed.
They are both opponents that are a lot more credible than their next opponents. The only reason they are not has to be that they are not worth the risk.
Opinions?

are you smoking crack? you think calzaghe needs froch to make him a legend? like S*** he does, he beats froch he proves nothing! hes beaten fighter alot better or alot more proven on the world stage than froch already.. with name slike hopkins, wright, taylor, kessler out there why the hell would froch even be an option right now??

Same with hatton, with Castillo, mayweather, Cotto out there why witter?

Read my statement again!!!! I didn't say that Calzaghe needed to fight Froch to make him a ledend, I said that he knew the fights that he had to make to make him a legend, theres a difference. Calzaghe needs to fight B-Hop, or back in the day RJJ. If he was truely confident then he would have taken a cut to make these fights. By winning them he would then be able to name his own price. The reason the fight isn't being made is either he is worried that he could loose, or he's more concerned about making money. The same goes for Hatton. No matter how you look at it Witter and Froch are better fights than Manfredo and Urango.

mate, hopkins was offerd a career high pay day back in the day to fight joe in the us, he wnated double it...

Calzaghe was offerd($3,4) his career high pay day to fight Kessler and he refuse,so that is you point

[Violent Demise]

Calzaghe-Manfredo is a joke of a fight. Calzaghe-Froch is an even bigger joke of a fight. It's funny how British fans bad mouth Manfredo (got no problem with that). Saying he's unworthy and doesn't deserve a title shot (so very true). Than turn around and say Calzaghe should fight Froch (can't even begin to explain the stupidity in that). What the fuck has this 29 year old, Ryan Rhodes in the making, so-called prospect accomplished to deserve a title shot? Not a damn thing. Yet according to the British, he's close to ATG status. It's stupidity. All of it. And you can blame one person for this. Joe Calzaghe. If he would have the balls to fight Kessler, we wouldn't hear shit about Froch. Or Manfredo. .

[Memphis]

Calzaghe-Manfredo is a joke of a fight. Calzaghe-Froch is an even bigger joke of a fight. It's funny how British fans bad mouth Manfredo (got no problem with that). Saying he's unworthy and doesn't deserve a title shot (so very true). Than turn around and say Calzaghe should fight Froch (can't even begin to explain the stupidity in that). What the fuck has this 29 year old, Ryan Rhodes in the making, so-called prospect accomplished to deserve a title shot? Not a damn thing. Yet according to the British, he's close to ATG status. It's stupidity. All of it. And you can blame one person for this. Joe Calzaghe. If he would have the balls to fight Kessler, we wouldn't hear shit about Froch. Or Manfredo. .

Its for the same reason that people would like to see Hatton Witter. Its a big domestic fight. OK Witter brings the luster of the WBC with him but people wanted this fight before he fought Corley.

Its that simple.

[Violent Demise]

Calzaghe-Manfredo is a joke of a fight. Calzaghe-Froch is an even bigger joke of a fight. It's funny how British fans bad mouth Manfredo (got no problem with that). Saying he's unworthy and doesn't deserve a title shot (so very true). Than turn around and say Calzaghe should fight Froch (can't even begin to explain the stupidity in that). What the fuck has this 29 year old, Ryan Rhodes in the making, so-called prospect accomplished to deserve a title shot? Not a damn thing. Yet according to the British, he's close to ATG status. It's stupidity. All of it. And you can blame one person for this. Joe Calzaghe. If he would have the balls to fight Kessler, we wouldn't hear shit about Froch. Or Manfredo. .

Its for the same reason that people would like to see Hatton Witter. Its a big domestic fight. OK Witter brings the luster of the WBC with him but people wanted this fight before he fought Corley.

Its that simple.

Even though he confused his title fight with Judah with a track meet. Witter can at least make a case. His resume is no where near great, but it has some decent stuff on it. Froch can't make a case and his resume is worst than Manfredo's. And that's saying some thing

[Preme]

Calzaghe-Manfredo is a joke of a fight. Calzaghe-Froch is an even bigger joke of a fight. It's funny how British fans bad mouth Manfredo (got no problem with that). Saying he's unworthy and doesn't deserve a title shot (so very true). Than turn around and say Calzaghe should fight Froch (can't even begin to explain the stupidity in that). What the F*** has this 29 year old, Ryan Rhodes in the making, so-called prospect accomplished to deserve a title shot? Not a damn thing. Yet according to the British, he's close to ATG status. It's stupidity. All of it. And you can blame one person for this. Joe Calzaghe. If he would have the balls to fight Kessler, we wouldn't hear S*** about Froch. Or Manfredo. .

Its for the same reason that people would like to see Hatton Witter. Its a big domestic fight. OK Witter brings the luster of the WBC with him but people wanted this fight before he fought Corley.

Its that simple.

Even though he confused his title fight with Judah with a track meet. Witter can at least make a case. His resume is no where near great, but it has some decent stuff on it. Froch can't make a case and his resume is worst than Manfredo's. And that's saying some thing

Vd, for the first and most likley last time on a calzaghe topic i agree with you, you are 100% right froch would be a total joke fight for calzaghe if it was to happen right now.

i said it in other posts at 29 years old, never fought for a european or wolrd title or wolrd title eliminator its a fucking joke. he had done nothing to EARN a shot at any world title at SMW apart from claim a 'domestic' interest, and that isnt enough!

[Memphis]

Froch can't make a case and his resume is worst than Manfredo's. And that's saying some thing

Thats absolute bollocks and you know it.

Its also imaterial. Froch is the second best s middle in the country, its only right that he should get a crack at the best s middle in the country shouldnt he? Every other none deserving mother fucker does.