To never win a Title and be a ATG. Well he won the black version of it, Hed beaten the World Champs at welter and Middle in non title fights . You look at his Resume and think Fuck, he was to good for his own good. The only guy to beat him 2 and 0 was Ezzard Charles HOF but a weight highter in weight. Charley Burley its the people who he didnt fight that makes it more intreresting. Billy Conn Ray Robinson Henry Armstong didnt want to know Heres Some that He did beat Fritzie Zivic Coaco Kidd Billy Soose Holman Williams Jack Chase Archie Moore. His real weight was usually 150 lbs when he boxed Lt heavys He was never stopped in his career. A great Fighter.