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i can see your point of view p4pking. but at the same time i just see mayweather's route to his stature right now. he took an easy title at 140 from gatti and managed to avoid fighting either cotto or hatton for their titles at 140 istead. and then moved up to 147 and beat judah who looked S*** in his last fight against baldomir and shouldnt even have had a title. then he faught baldomir who everyone knew he would beat to win yet another title. i just think he has taken a very easy route to gain his legacy so far. and he has managed one way or another to avoid every potential dangeros fighter along the way. and this doesnt seem the way of a true great to me.
But do you honestly think that because he didn't fight Hatton or Cotto at 140, it has anything more to do with him then it does them?? For one thing there's no chance Bob Arum would have let Miguel Cotto fight Mayweather at 140, Floyd had recently left him and they were on very bad terms.. It would be the equivalent of Frank Warren handing Amir Khan to Hatton at 140 in Manchester, you know? There's just no way in hell. And as far as FLoyd vs Hatton you can debate that all day but bottom line the fight never happened for whatever reason, but since they respectively beat Tszyu and Gatti at 140 Floyd has fared better than Hatton. Judah and Baldomir are better than Urango and Collazo, and DLH is a much higher ground than Castillo.. There's really just no basis for so many people's hate of Floyd in some ways.
While i agree with most of your post i have to say that i personally believe Collazo would beat Judah quite handily. After that, i don't see much difference between Urango and Baldomir expept Urango is probably a bit quicker and a much bigger puncher for a 140 anyway. I agree that Oscar is a bigger name than Castillo but that's due to the way he is been marketed through out his career. Am not doubting that his ability has something to with it because he is top top draw. He's quality....well he was quality. To me a win over mayorga doesn't mean anything. Mayorga is crap and just had a big mouth. I personally believe Castillo beat Mayweather 1st time round and i don't think Oscar will come close to giving Mayweather that much trouble. I think Floyd will completely dominate the fight.
I can respect that you think collazo would beat Judah... I don't, and I think he'll get stopped by Mosley anyways, so we'll see. But even if you think he'd win, that doesn't make Collazo a more noteworthy opponent for Hatton than Judah was for Floyd. Collazo's only good win was over Jose antonio Rivera before Hatton fought him.. And as far as the difference between Urango and Baldomir. Please. Here, Ill give you a hand. Baldomir was the undisputed welterweight champion, who was coming off wins over Judah and Gatti. Urango was an ex prospect who had been exposed, a paper champ who didn't even beat Ben Rabah and didn't deserve to have a belt. Let alone the fact that he didn't even try to do anything all fight. How can you say that he's quicker or a bigger puncher, when he didn't display either of those things for two seconds against Hatton. He was terribly inactive all night, not like Baldomir against Floyd who tried but was way too slow, Urango didn't try to do anything for most of the fight. I can respect that your trying hard to come up with some good damage control, but really.. Face facts, Hatton isn't even fighting Castillo, the one elite established fighter he has talked about, anymore. Now he's fighting probably the guy who Urango supposedly just beat for the IBF title before Hatton took it. Since when is the loser of a title eliminator put right back into another one? It's crap and if Hatton was really confident and wanted to prove himself he'd vacate the belt.