De La Hoya v. Aaron Pryor at 140

[Taeth]

CC for mentioning Pryor in a title thread on this forum. He isn't mentioned enough. I think Pryor gets knocked down in round 1. Then comes back to win a UD. If Ike Quartey who was always very open to being hit by a left hook by Oscar could survive all 12 rounds I don't see anyway in Oscar KO ing Pryor who I feel had a much better chin than Quartey. Like IceCold said before it was more of a balance issue with Pryor when it came to his knockdowns.

Besides ODLH who even actually knocked down Quartey? Winky did get him too touch the canvas, but Quartey wasn't hurt at all. Also how is Quartey open for left hooks? Winky who isn't open for any punches learned his style from Quartey, and Quartey always keeps his hands up. Like I said even if ODLH doesn't KO Pryor his power will still be a deciding factor.

[spekterscript]

CC for mentioning Pryor in a title thread on this forum. He isn't mentioned enough. I think Pryor gets knocked down in round 1. Then comes back to win a UD. If Ike Quartey who was always very open to being hit by a left hook by Oscar could survive all 12 rounds I don't see anyway in Oscar KO ing Pryor who I feel had a much better chin than Quartey. Like IceCold said before it was more of a balance issue with Pryor when it came to his knockdowns.

Besides ODLH who even actually knocked down Quartey? Winky did get him too touch the canvas, but Quartey wasn't hurt at all. Also how is Quartey open for left hooks? Winky who isn't open for any punches learned his style from Quartey, and Quartey always keeps his hands up. Like I said even if ODLH doesn't KO Pryor his power will still be a deciding factor.

Let me start off by saying that Quartey is my favorite active boxer at the moment. He was and is a tough son of a gun and being knocked down by De La Hoya was a statement about the power of Oscar. De La Hoya hit him perfectly flush and he went down. My point is that Oscar De La Hoya had the hardest left hook of his time in that weight class and probably still does for the 154 lb weight class. Quartey was shown to be vulnerable against the left hook in his fight against Lopez. I was in no way detracting from Quartey's toughness or chin. Now I will respond to your questions one by one.

"Besides ODLH who even knocked down Quartey?" Jose Luis Lopez did. In that fight Lopez exploited Quartey's vulnerability to the left hook by using it to set up the trademark right of Lopez.


"Also how is Quartey open for left hooks?" His lack of head movement, lateral movement, and upright posture for 1. The way he pulled straight back instead of at an angle. Also watch his match against Jose Luis Lopez and you will see how time and time again a left hook set him up for the right hand. Watch his match and against Oba Carr and you will see how he was once again being hit by left hooks more than any other punch.

"Winky who isn't open for any punches learned his style from Quartey." True. Winky learned his style from Quartey. However, Winky has better movement overall than Quartey and parries punches better. Winky has a more active defense-sliding elbows up and then down, gloves up and then down to block shots. To compare the defenses of the 2 in understandable but to say that Quartey was as unhittable as Winky is plainly not true.

Yes Quartey always keeps his hands up and had a good and solid clam shell defense in his day.

Quartey's best defense against Oscar in that fight was his offense, strong jab and right hand. Pryor had a great offense and power in both hands.

Your original argument about Pryor not taking punches from anyone like a Tito or Oscar can go both ways because who is to say that he couldn't take stronger shots?

I do agree about Oscar's jab being the most deciding advantage to Oscar in this dream contest against Pryor.

Pryor had incredible stamina, chin, heart and good power in both hands. Pryor imo had the chin and offense to decrease Oscar's output that is why I would pick him.

[SweetPea]

I wouldn't rank Oscar's left hook to the head as the best at 147 at that time, that honor would have to go to Tito. However, Oscar's left to the head was better than everyone else besides Tito, and his left hook to the body was the best in the division.
Quartey was a somewhat robotic fighter. He stood straight up, didn't bob and weave, and threw that great jab followed by right hands.
In the DLH fight, he was very effective with the right hand, buckling DLH several times.. The problem is, he wasn't good at bringing the right back quickly, so when he threw a right hand, it would hang out there and he was vulnerable to counter hooks.
Upright, mechanical fighters have to bring their hands back quickly, or they'll always be vulnerable to counters upstairs.

[Taeth]

CC for mentioning Pryor in a title thread on this forum. He isn't mentioned enough. I think Pryor gets knocked down in round 1. Then comes back to win a UD. If Ike Quartey who was always very open to being hit by a left hook by Oscar could survive all 12 rounds I don't see anyway in Oscar KO ing Pryor who I feel had a much better chin than Quartey. Like IceCold said before it was more of a balance issue with Pryor when it came to his knockdowns.

Besides ODLH who even actually knocked down Quartey? Winky did get him too touch the canvas, but Quartey wasn't hurt at all. Also how is Quartey open for left hooks? Winky who isn't open for any punches learned his style from Quartey, and Quartey always keeps his hands up. Like I said even if ODLH doesn't KO Pryor his power will still be a deciding factor.

Let me start off by saying that Quartey is my favorite active boxer at the moment. He was and is a tough son of a gun and being knocked down by De La Hoya was a statement about the power of Oscar. De La Hoya hit him perfectly flush and he went down. My point is that Oscar De La Hoya had the hardest left hook of his time in that weight class and probably still does for the 154 lb weight class. Quartey was shown to be vulnerable against the left hook in his fight against Lopez. I was in no way detracting from Quartey's toughness or chin. Now I will respond to your questions one by one.

"Besides ODLH who even knocked down Quartey?" Jose Luis Lopez did. In that fight Lopez exploited Quartey's vulnerability to the left hook by using it to set up the trademark right of Lopez.


"Also how is Quartey open for left hooks?" His lack of head movement, lateral movement, and upright posture for 1. The way he pulled straight back instead of at an angle. Also watch his match against Jose Luis Lopez and you will see how time and time again a left hook set him up for the right hand. Watch his match and against Oba Carr and you will see how he was once again being hit by left hooks more than any other punch.

"Winky who isn't open for any punches learned his style from Quartey." True. Winky learned his style from Quartey. However, Winky has better movement overall than Quartey and parries punches better. Winky has a more active defense-sliding elbows up and then down, gloves up and then down to block shots. To compare the defenses of the 2 in understandable but to say that Quartey was as unhittable as Winky is plainly not true.

Yes Quartey always keeps his hands up and had a good and solid clam shell defense in his day.

Quartey's best defense against Oscar in that fight was his offense, strong jab and right hand. Pryor had a great offense and power in both hands.

Your original argument about Pryor not taking punches from anyone like a Tito or Oscar can go both ways because who is to say that he couldn't take stronger shots?

I do agree about Oscar's jab being the most deciding advantage to Oscar in this dream contest against Pryor.

Pryor had incredible stamina, chin, heart and good power in both hands. Pryor imo had the chin and offense to decrease Oscar's output that is why I would pick him.

I never saw the Jose Luis Lopez fight granted, but also Winky was knocked down by Vazquez, and Winky has faced harder punchers who couldn't hurt him... WHen I saw Oscar against Quartey he didn't get in very many left hooks, and though Quartey was open for the right hook, and the straights hands Winky I didn't see hit him that much which his left hook either, and thats his power hand which I find easier personally to land inside.

[Lords Gym]

Arguello was better then Oscar in my opinion.

O RLY ? how you figure?