Quote Originally Posted by landmine950
After Ali was losing as an "OLD MAN" Ray robinson had 50 fights!
He was 29 when he lost to Frazier
He was 31 when he lost to Norton
he was 36 when he lost to Spinks (a 6 and 1 fighter!)
he was 38 when he lost to Holmes
he was 39 when he lost to Berbick
He sure must have "peaked" early!

Holmes won the WBC title at 29 and defended it 20 times!
He faced Micheal Spinks at age 36, was he Old then?
He had 26 fights AFTER that!

Foreman won the wba and ibf title at the age of 45!
6 years after people make excuses for the "greatest" being "too old"

People make excuses for Ali's losses, layoff,age etc.
He lost to Norton then won a narrow split decision
He lost to Fraizer who Foreman DESTROYED TWICE!
He lost to Leon who was 6-1! come on!! 6-1! think about it!!
Can you Imagine say.. Vitali Klitschko even fighting a 6-1 guy?? never mind losing!! Say Wlad lost to a guy 6-1 then beat him in a rematch. Would you make a big deal out of 3 TIME WORLD CHAMPION.....think about it!

I think Ali was like Tyson..a bright star that burnt out fast. great against lesser guys but when he met other good fighters had all (or more) than he could handle. Even average or crappy fighters on a good day (leon,buster) beat them both and fighters with limitations of size (Frazier,Evander) beat them.

I don't think Ali was that great and certainly NOT the "greatest" Period. He was however the greatest SALESMAN of all time. And he sold you!

People think a guy was great because he was in great fights.
2 average fighter build a legend because of great matches (gatti/ward)
then you see them against a "real" great fighter and they looklike sh1t!

If ALI was so great then so are Fraizer,Norton,Leon,etc....and guess what.....there not..
great for the sport, yes.
great exciting fights, yes
The greatest of all time........Not even close

IMO


frazier was great fighter but ali beat him 2-1 so whats your point ?? norton was very tricky guy who gave ali and alot of boxers trouble it was just big punches norton didnt fare against and still ali won 2-1 and im not even going to go into losses when he was 36 because you know he had head damage and was way past it so its not even worth arguing

He lost to Fraizer who Foreman DESTROYED TWICE!= and whats that got to go with anything that foreman was too big and too strong with fraizer and had his number and ?? all boxers have eachothers numbers thats how it works

Holmes won the WBC title at 29 and defended it 20 times!
He faced Micheal Spinks at age 36, was he Old then?
He had 26 fights AFTER that= and ?? if you watch holmes vs say shavers and against spinks he is shadow of his former self

ok so you pick alis record apart what about your hero valuev

john ruiz a guy that valuez got gift decision against lets have a look at ruiz record he was koed in 1 by david tua just about got sd against jimmy thunder going 1-1-1 with old holyfield losing to natrual middleweight not once oh no he lost twice but it was no contest and got saved getting gift decision against andrew golota and ruiz was dropped twice in that fight

valuez got another gift decision against old and shot larry donald

jeez i could gone of forever