Now who sez Pac's overrated? Yet another award for Pac?!! Read on.......

[pacfan]

Ya, Pac definitely is not the same fighter as before, contrary to what some people wants to believe. Look at his last fight with Erik (all right, El Gamo, your exempted, you don't have to do that cuz I don't watch the 1st fight either LOL), he was counterpunching most of the time, and I must say very effectively, and was getting hit much less than almost any other fight in his career. He even 'bobbed and weaved', something I've never seen him do before.

[SweetPea]

Pac's handspeed and power,P4P,would be by far and away the best Floyd has faced.

And Floyd would be the biggest, fastest, and strongest fighter Pacquiao has ever faced.

Remember,Manny is no longer as 1 dimensional as he used to be and his hand speed is blurring,anyone who gets trapped on the ropes v Manny is in trouble.

His speed is more "blurring" than Floyd's? No way.
You're right that a fighter trapped against the ropes against Manny is in trouble. No doubt about that one. But how exactly does Manny go about trapping Floyd on the ropes? How do you cut off the ring against the fighter with the best side-to-side movement in the sport?

[El Gamo]

Ya, Pac definitely is not the same fighter as before, contrary to what some people wants to believe. Look at his last fight with Erik (all right, El Gamo, your exempted, you don't have to do that cuz I don't watch the 1st fight either LOL), he was counterpunching most of the time, and I must say very effectively, and was getting hit much less than almost any other fight in his career. He even 'bobbed and weaved', something I've never seen him do before.

Totally agreed.Manny has improved alot,and he makes him even more dangerous.

Pac's handspeed and power,P4P,would be by far and away the best Floyd has faced.

And Floyd would be the biggest, fastest, and strongest fighter Pacquiao has ever faced.

Remember,Manny is no longer as 1 dimensional as he used to be and his hand speed is blurring,anyone who gets trapped on the ropes v Manny is in trouble.

His speed is more "blurring" than Floyd's? No way.
You're right a fighter trapped against the ropes against Manny is in trouble. No doubt about that one. But how exactly does Manny go about trapping Floyd on the ropes? How do you cut off the rung against the fighter with the best side-to-side movement in the sport?

I'm not sure,Floyd i probably faster but Manny's handspeed is ridiculous and I don't care who you are,when a guy has fast hand speed,throws combinations and has power in BOTH hands,he's no walkover for anyone. The ways to defeat speed is with jab,combinations,speed of your own and power,and Manny has all of those in abundance. Again,I stress,Foloyd would be favourite but no way would it be easy or a walk over.

[pacfan]

That's true about the handspeed. Just watch him work the mitts with Roach - he can throw, no explode, 5 power punches in just about a second. And on the ring, he routinely throws 3-punch combos from a 'long' distance in less than a second. Show me who can do better and I'll give you 10cc's.

[SweetPea]

Are you guys saying that Pacquiao has faster hands than Mayweather?

[pacfan]

No, he has faster combos, check it out if you doubt.

[SweetPea]

No, he has faste combos, check it out if you doubt.

I know he has fast combos. And he has fast hands in general.
I was just curious if you thought he had faster hands than Mayweather.

[pacfan]

I don't know exactly what you meant by fast hand, but for sure Pac has a bigger punch, p4p. He knocks down or out lot of boxers with one punch. In his last fight, he knocked Erik down with one punch, a guy nobody can knock down, never mind the Barrera kd.

[p4pking]

pbf has always been prime even his should of lost to castillo, as for pac he just reach prime or showed sign of his prime stage, so actually we've only seen maybe one prime pacman fight. so how can you easily say pbf is better if you haven't seen much of prime pacman?

and if you disagree pacman is just recently coming onto prime, then can you actually say pac was prime in his win over mab and should of s.d win over jmm or close lost to em?

actually not prime pacman has already done more the pbf, defeating better oppenent wise.

Hmm for a boxing God you certainly make some stupid postings.

By defintion prime means a boxers very best years, therefore if Floyd had always been prime then you are arguing for a logical impossibility as how you can always be the best you have ever been?

Secondly, if you do still persist in your belief that Floyd is always the best he has ever been then by definition he would have to be the number 1 p4p fighter in the world today as he keeps on getting better and better and therefore nobody could catch him, thus destroying the credibility of your own arguments.

For a boxing God I expected more

wow you blew it with this posting.

you says prime means their very best year? well has pbf have a greater year recently? if you base it on that hands down pac has been having better years then pbf for the past uhh 3 years. so that alone you should be saying pac is p4p #1

and yes i do say pbf has always been Great, pac wasn't. pbf actually look much better in the lower weights and thats a fact. NO DOUBT. who is better then castillo that pbf has fought after him? pbf look way amazing in the lower weight classes, RECENTLY he has fought weak oppenents compare to him titles don't mean shyt. baldo could of had 50 titles and zab, titles don't mean shyt so dont give the reason that they are good quality just cause baldo won the title uhh....from no other then zab.....and then beats uhh....gatti? don't makes sense only reason that fight took places wasn't because baldo was good it was because he had a title from zab who pbf beat and gatti who pbf beat. if baldo would of won a title from margarito instead of beating hype gatti then it WOULD OF MAKE MORE SENSE, but no it was kept in a circle of pbf easily whoop very very low risk.

look at winky and pac, they don't really have a title but they whoop all the very best already and they did that shyt a....s...a....p and pac whoop greats even when he wasn't PRIME which means very best or best can be. so do you think pac was as good as he was when he beat mab with just left straights and speed and relentless, and that should of s.d win for pac over jmm do you think pac was prime then? or the close lost to em was pac prime then?...........no pac was NOT PRIME THEN AND YET HE GAVE THE VERY BEST HELL IF NOT BEAT THE HELL OUT OF THEM.

and NO, just because i say pbf has been PRIME since in the lowerweight class that doesn't mean he should of been p4p #1 this whole time, NO EFFING way...why? because KING ROY was still unbeatable and bhop was just still so masterfull, and PBF even already PRIME was not a challenge to roys or bhops hold on p4p #1, as for pac even a few years back NOT PRIME, WAS already considered as a threat to pbf hold on p4p #1.....and keep in mind who did pbf beat when he was given the honorable thrown, NOBODY....it was because roy and bhop being dethrown by j.t and tarver.

come on bRotha, you should know this...

Poor spelling, terrible punctuation, no understanding of grammar and badly written sentences are just some of the reasons I didn't bother to read your reply.

so how did you know poor spelling, terrible punctuation, no understanding of grammar and badly wrtten sentences took place in my reply when you say you didn't read it (and this is a boxing forum mostly men, uhh when do we start really paying attention to bad spelling, terrible punctuation, etc etc huh? actually only when one runs out of bright boxing idea is when he low blows.)

take notes fellow saddo members, this is sign of a poster getting OWNED. reduce to such comments with no boxing knowledge.....sad sad sad

Well ok if you want to play that game, give me half an hour to decipher your last posting and I will respond.

Notes to all Saddo members, can anyone translate ASBO to English?

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[babyboNe]

Just out of curiosity,why shouldn't Pac be P4P number 1. You've said he shouldn't be but have not backed it up with anything.

Pac is fighting at 130 pounds. If Floyd had stayed at 130 and fought Pacquiao there, Floyd would wipe the canvas with Manny.
That's why Floyd is #1 and Pac ain't.
When someone finds me the fighter who could beat Floyd, I'll stop rating him #1.

I've got respect for Pacquiao and I love watching his fights. But he's just not in Mayweather's league as a boxer.

no doubt pbf is prolly the better boxer, but take inconsideration pac has fought countless of better boxer then he is, and he is the one who wipe the canvas of them.

Pac deserves a lot of respect for beating Barrera, going 2-1 against Morales, and the fight vs. Marquez, which I thought Pac narrowly won.
But does anyone doubt that Mayweather would've beaten Barrera, Morales, or Marquez I sure don't. In fact, I think he would've beaten them in easier fashion than Pac did.
Morales is one of my favorite fighters ever, yet I have no doubt that he would have been totally overmatched against Floyd.
And no one can use the "Floyd was ducking them" argument, because those guys weren't at 130 when Floyd was.

theres more to it then just whos the better boxer, thats why we have them fight. there is heart, determination, stamina, k.o power, speed etc etc. plus pac is known to give hell no any great boxer.

You're right, and in addition to being a better boxer, Floyd is also faster than Pacquiao, and he's got more stamina too. Not that Pac doesn't have great stamina, but there is no fighter who is as well-conditioned as Mayweather.
I also have seen no evidence that Mayweather lacks heart or determination. Although I'm sure there are plenty of people here who believe Floyd isn't determined because he "runs."

ITS A OVERSTATEMENT ANYTIME A FAN JUST SAYS PBF WILL EASILY BOX PAC.

It's not an overstatement when there's evidence to back it up.
Mayweather is bigger, faster, and has a 5 inch reach advantage over Pacquiao.
Pac needs to fight moving forward, which is good for Floyd because he can fight extremely well going backwards.
Pac telegraphs his punches at times, but was able to land big shots against both MAB and Morales because he was faster than them. He enjoys no such speed advantage against Floyd, and therefore would need to rely on boxing ability and technique to land a big shot, and I think we've already agreed that Pac is not in Floyd's league in terms of boxing ability and technique.

Pac is a great fighter providing thrilling fights. But he's not on Floyd's level as a boxer, and there's no shame in that.

pbf isn't as good as you think he is, well atleast not fully proven...you have only seen him against much weaker quality oppenent then pac, thats why pbf has look so amazing with his skills, but you really don't know mab and em or jmm if you think pbf would of just beat them too...its one thing to say pbf is good but to say his much better and would beat all three is stupid. yea i'll say pbf has skills but he has only shown that against weak oppenents. he look great against gatti and chico those are two stand out fights that he look good against. and the rest aren't even worth a mention...gatti was a hbo hype club fighter and chico was throwing only 2 punches, but if you stop being blind and watch if only chico got way more aggressive he would of knock pbf out, he caught pbf a few times. but he didn't do enough and thats why pbf just took advantage of how chico was being lazy.

pac has work his way up fighting strictly the best, as for pbf he has demo his skills against c levels, if a fighter fights lower level oppenent ofcourse his gonna look good or great, but if you face him with elites like mab em jmm, no matter how skilled he is or talented his gonna get put to the test. thats why they are elite they don't go away easy.

jmm em and mab all had better chins then everyone pbf has ever drop in the featherweight division and they all can punch and put you out, and they all can box, they are true to the game and know how to win.

PBF IS OVERRATED!!!!!!!! make this guy climb up the top like how pac did, this guy ain't gonna be looking as good as he does against better fighters. he only looks good because his oppenent doesn't have what it takes to be GREAT. and thats a fact, noun of pbf oppenent has WHAT IT TAKES TO BE GREAT.PLUS YOUR ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR OPPENENT. undefeated record isn't a rare resume anymoRe, but to take on GREATS AND PUT THEM THROUGH HELL EVEN IF YOUR NOT PRIME YET(PAC), NOW THAT IS MEMORABLE!!!! as for pbf win or lose against oscar, AINT NOBODY GONNA CARE TO REMEMBER HIM, they'll be another businessman fighter that will soon follow him and that has been what put BOXING down to the hands of corrupt promoters.

[SweetPea]

pbf isn't as good as you think he is, well atleast not fully proven...you have only seen him against much weaker quality oppenent then pac, thats why pbf has look so amazing with his skills, but you really don't know mab and em or jmm if you think pbf would of just beat them too...its one thing to say pbf is good but to say his much better and would beat all three is stupid. yea i'll say pbf has skills but he has only shown that against weak oppenents. he look great against gatti and chico those are two stand out fights that he look good against. and the rest aren't even worth a mention...gatti was a hbo hype club fighter and chico was throwing only 2 punches, but if you stop being blind and watch if only chico got way more aggressive he would of knock pbf out, he caught pbf a few times. but he didn't do enough and thats why pbf just took advantage of how chico was being lazy.

What exactly would MAB, Morales or Marquez do to beat Floyd? In what areas do they have an advantage? Are they more skilled? Faster? Bigger? Better defense?
So let me get this straight, you think Corrales lost to Floyd because he decided to "get lazy?" You don't think it had anything to do with the fact that Floyd put on a boxing lesson for 10+ rounds?
You think Corrales only threw a couple punches at a time just because he didn't really feel like punching? I think it may have had something to do with the fact that he was facing an unhittable target. Was Corrales acting lazy the five times he got knocked flat on his back?
You do know that Mayweather-Corrales is one of the 2 or 3 most lopsided title fights of the last 20 years, right?

they are true to the game and know how to win

Does Floyd not "know how to win?" He seems to have known how to do it everytime so far.

PLUS YOUR ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR OPPENENT

What does this mean? If you're only as good as your opponents, then Oscar De La Hoya must be the best fighter of the past 25 years, because he has the best list of opponents of anyone during that time.

[puga_ni_nana]

Pac's handspeed and power,P4P,would be by far and away the best Floyd has faced.

And Floyd would be the biggest, fastest, and strongest fighter Pacquiao has ever faced.

Remember,Manny is no longer as 1 dimensional as he used to be and his hand speed is blurring,anyone who gets trapped on the ropes v Manny is in trouble.

His speed is more "blurring" than Floyd's? No way.
You're right that a fighter trapped against the ropes against Manny is in trouble. No doubt about that one. But how exactly does Manny go about trapping Floyd on the ropes? How do you cut off the ring against the fighter with the best side-to-side movement in the sport?

i have seen this done by castillo on their first fight. round 7 last 30 seconds. floyd couldn't run so he just push and holds.