Quote Originally Posted by motorcitycobra
Quote Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Pound for pound all time list are hard to make for several reasons...One of the biggest I see most often is lack of history.

EG-Not to sound like a broken record but we will use Ray Robinson yet again......

If you are lucky enough to see footage from his welterweight days...He is as fast as anyoneout there today...Unlike many older fighters Ray Jabbed,,,Danced like Ali,,,Used combos even Mosley and Mayweather would be in awe of...But again if you never seen it for yourself it is hard to know exactly what one is speaking about when they mention these things...especially how people ten to exxagerate..

Another example...Jack Dempsey....People talk of Tysons assults in the ring...Jack had no mercy...he pummeled his guys...but again unless you seen it for yourself you can not imagine it's full effect..... I am lucky enough to have acess to old time footage of such things thanks to my Dad...........If not then I would have a hard time judging certin things...

Soo P4P list are difficult....when you watch shows on ESPN classic and others like it...The so called experts who make these list seem to do it so easily but again they have acess to footage we can only dream of and not just clips or one fight but tons!!!
Agreed Jack Had a masters degree in brutality the guys a heroe of mine even named the dog after him, but i wouldn't put him any where near best boxer list, he was just pitbull terrior inside the ropes. An i have a few of Dempeys film on tape











Was using Dempsy/Tyson comparison as an example about how you have to see fights or fighters to make actual comparison..and how it is hard to make assumptions or rank guys by record using description of fighters or fights...

As for Jack I have about 15 of his fights on 32mm projector and he was absolutly vicious....again you would have to see it to understand exactly how vicious he was in the ring...If you have footage of him you know exactly what I am talking about when it comes to that aspect of him