and to the person that lost to jason estrada. you should not give up take that loss to better yourself. learn from all those mistakes you made in that fight to prevent those mistakes from happening again. everybodys gonna lose wether its a fighter thats been fighting since he can walk or a fighter that only has a month training. from the sounds of it you were a great amature. i know people that have more loses than wins. who knows youll maybe meet estrada in the pros again and defete him but only if you matured from that loss. this is just my opinion though. and to the creator of this topic i forgot to tell you this. i think the reason alote of people that start boxing late dont make it in the pros is becuase they think they dont have much time and they turn pro like 1 or 2 years or maybe less after training they think there ready. i say turn pro like in 5 to 6 years theres no hurry. i say turn pro when your like 25 youll have 7 years of experience. well good luck and i hope you do great.