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Half the ex champs Whitaker fought were chumps. Some of those guys you have up there are absolutely horrible
Layne, Rodriguez and Nazario weren't much chop, but then again, C. Hernandez, Manfredy, Baldomir and a shot to S*** Mitchell aren't that great either.

and about Castillo vs. JCC I agree JCC would have won, but not by a landslide. Castillo would have given him alot of trouble.
Fight would have resembled Chavez's with Ramirez imo. Competitive, with Chavez winning most of the rounds.


Also Ramirez got his a** handed to him by both Camacho and JCC. I haven't seen the Arguello fight so I won't comment on that.
No shame in losing to either of those guys. Camacho was no joke in his prime.

Also how can you say Mayweather was rocked by Corley? He was hit, but he wasn't rocked at all... His legs didn't bend, and he didn't have shaky legs after that, but not only that he also came right back and hurt Corley. AFter that he didn't respect Corley's power at all so I say your wrong there. If a flush Judah cross can't hurt him then how can Corley's.
He wobbled and stumbled into the ropes. He recovered quickly and beat Corley up, but he did get wobbled there.

Also ODLH became a much better overall fighter as time progressed. At lightweight and 140 he didn't do much. At 147 is where he beat JCC the first and second time along with "Whitaker", Quartey, and Camacho, but he lost to MOsley. At 154 he learnt how to use his right hand and box which allowed him to beat Trinidad, and Mosley though he was robbed both times, but his second fight against Mosley and his fight against Trinidad IMO were his best fights in comparison to opposition level. He also faced Bernard Hopkins won of the top 5 best middleweights ever and was boxing even with him until the size differential weighed in, and against Sturm he didn't look prepared.
A few things to note. The first DLH-Chavez fight happened at 140, not 147. The Trinidad fight occurred at 147, not 154.

Also, how the hell was DLH robbed against Mosley the first time? He lost that fight clearly. 8-4 or 7-5 are the only options there, both for Mosley. The second fight, yes, DLH was robbed.

I won't deny DLH boxed well against Tito, Mosley and X, but he also had the ability to box at the lower weights, its just that he was naturally bigger there and tried to (and did) blow the smaller guys out. Check out his performance against Miguel Angel Gonzales. DLH never looked better imo than he did that night. He also boxed well against Hernandez, and Chavez.

How can you see clumsy footed Tito beats Mayweather.
Simple, because he is huge compared to Mayweather and hits harder than anyone Floyd has ever faced. He also has more skill and will to win than the likes of Corrales, who you might compare Tito to. If Floyd ran from the likes of Castillo and Baldomir Tito will run Floyd out of the stadium. The later rounds will be hard for Floyd to survive and if he stands and tries to trade he's a cooked duck.


I could see Chavez giving you a good arguement considering how Castillo preformed against a Mayweather with broken ribs, and torn shoulder, and his like second fight at the weight, but JCC wouldn't beat Mayweather on his best night unless Mayweather had his worst.
Didn't Castillo give him the broken ribs?

The second fight was still close imo. 8-4 or so. There's no reason why Chavez couldn't improve on that performance. He has much better timing, speed and body punching ability than Castillo.

DLH would never stand up to Mayweather at any point of his career and neither would Nelson you mention guys barely on the top 100 list while MAyweather should be in the top 10.
Based on what? Floyd, to repeat, has yet to even face a great fighter, and you have him locked down as a top 10 all time? Good God.....

Chavez is a lock for top 30 all time, Nelson top 50, and DLH top 75. These guys aren't chumps we're talking about here.



I am not saying Mayweather is much better than Pernell Whitaker, but he is better, and because he is more focused it would make the fight even more one sided.
Well, agree to disagree here.
Well said.