Holyfield: I don't use steroids!

[ICB]

http://www.fightnews.com/

[frozensolid_702]

maybe he doesnt use steroids, but he sure as hell did


read the latest scoop and ask yourself "Why was he using a fake name to get them?"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...eld/index.html

this guy sets my theory that hes the most overrated fighter in the history of boxing, in concrete

this chump lost 8 times!!!

including losses to such heavyweight greats as: michael moorer, john ruiz, larry donald chris byrd, and even got tko'd by the heavyweight bruiser, james toney. all of this while he was on steroids

that guy flat out CHEATED and it wasnt good enough for him to beat the fellow heavyweight chumps (excluding toney but how the F*** do you get knocked out by him??)

thoughts?

[ICB]

maybe he doesnt use steroids, but he sure as hell did


read the latest scoop and ask yourself "Why was he using a fake name to get them?"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...eld/index.html

this gut sets my theory that hes the most overrated fighter in the history of boxing, in concrete

this chump lost 8 times!!!

including losses to such heavyweight greats as: michael moorer, john ruiz, larry donald, and even got tko'd by the heavyweight bruiser, james toney. all of this while he was on steroids

that guy flat out CHEATED and it wasnt good enough for him to beat the fellow heavyweight chumps (excluding toney but how the F*** do you get knocked out by him??)

thoughts?

past his prime ??

[frozensolid_702]

maybe he doesnt use steroids, but he sure as hell did


read the latest scoop and ask yourself "Why was he using a fake name to get them?"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...eld/index.html

this gut sets my theory that hes the most overrated fighter in the history of boxing, in concrete

this chump lost 8 times!!!

including losses to such heavyweight greats as: michael moorer, john ruiz, larry donald, and even got tko'd by the heavyweight bruiser, james toney. all of this while he was on steroids

that guy flat out CHEATED and it wasnt good enough for him to beat the fellow heavyweight chumps (excluding toney but how the F*** do you get knocked out by him??)

thoughts?

past his prime ??

his "prime" was peppered by losses.

bowe twice, and he even lost to michael moorer during his "prime" AND he was on steroids

hes a novelty, not a great. like a less skilled, heavyweight version, arturo gatti (but evander loses more) that CHEATED




so much for his "heart"

[ICB]

maybe he doesnt use steroids, but he sure as hell did


read the latest scoop and ask yourself "Why was he using a fake name to get them?"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...eld/index.html

this gut sets my theory that hes the most overrated fighter in the history of boxing, in concrete

this chump lost 8 times!!!

including losses to such heavyweight greats as: michael moorer, john ruiz, larry donald, and even got tko'd by the heavyweight bruiser, james toney. all of this while he was on steroids

that guy flat out CHEATED and it wasnt good enough for him to beat the fellow heavyweight chumps (excluding toney but how the F*** do you get knocked out by him??)

thoughts?

past his prime ??

his "prime" was peppered by losses.

bowe twice, and he even lost to michael moorer during his "prime" AND he was on steroids

hes a novelty, not a great. like a less skilled, heavyweight version, arturo gatti (but evander loses more) that CHEATED




so much for his "heart"

not to be nasty but what has bulking up your muscle and having natrual heart got to do with steroids mate ?? plus in that moorer loss he was having bad problems with his heart so i heard and there is no shame going 2-1 with one of best hws of the 90s

[frozensolid_702]

maybe he doesnt use steroids, but he sure as hell did


read the latest scoop and ask yourself "Why was he using a fake name to get them?"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...eld/index.html

this gut sets my theory that hes the most overrated fighter in the history of boxing, in concrete

this chump lost 8 times!!!

including losses to such heavyweight greats as: michael moorer, john ruiz, larry donald, and even got tko'd by the heavyweight bruiser, james toney. all of this while he was on steroids

that guy flat out CHEATED and it wasnt good enough for him to beat the fellow heavyweight chumps (excluding toney but how the F*** do you get knocked out by him??)

thoughts?

past his prime ??

his "prime" was peppered by losses.

bowe twice, and he even lost to michael moorer during his "prime" AND he was on steroids

hes a novelty, not a great. like a less skilled, heavyweight version, arturo gatti (but evander loses more) that CHEATED




so much for his "heart"

not to be nasty but what has bulking up your muscle and having natrual heart got to do with steroids mate ?? plus in that moorer loss he was having bad problems with his heart so i heard and there is no shame going 2-1 with one of best hws of the 90s

thats exactly it right there, bro

HE WAS ON STEROIDS!!!!!

steroids help you bulk up more than just a little bit

steroids put a mean streak in you as well (the kind of mean streak that will enable somebody to stand there and trade shots with you)
i had a roommate that i knew before he was on steroids, and after..................... huge difference


the point is this, we will never know how evander would have been without the steroids

but we do know this............







he lost to 8 fighters while cheating his fans, and the sport.

[vitalikingback]

am ronnie coleman and holyfield was trained by lee hany
lee hany is 8 times mr olympa who broke arnie record

[ICB]

maybe he doesnt use steroids, but he sure as hell did


read the latest scoop and ask yourself "Why was he using a fake name to get them?"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...eld/index.html

this gut sets my theory that hes the most overrated fighter in the history of boxing, in concrete

this chump lost 8 times!!!

including losses to such heavyweight greats as: michael moorer, john ruiz, larry donald, and even got tko'd by the heavyweight bruiser, james toney. all of this while he was on steroids

that guy flat out CHEATED and it wasnt good enough for him to beat the fellow heavyweight chumps (excluding toney but how the F*** do you get knocked out by him??)

thoughts?

past his prime ??

his "prime" was peppered by losses.

bowe twice, and he even lost to michael moorer during his "prime" AND he was on steroids

hes a novelty, not a great. like a less skilled, heavyweight version, arturo gatti (but evander loses more) that CHEATED




so much for his "heart"

not to be nasty but what has bulking up your muscle and having natrual heart got to do with steroids mate ?? plus in that moorer loss he was having bad problems with his heart so i heard and there is no shame going 2-1 with one of best hws of the 90s

thats exactly it right there, bro

HE WAS ON STEROIDS!!!!!

steroids help you bulk up more than just a little bit

steroids put a mean streak in you as well (the kind of mean streak that will enable somebody to stand there and trade shots with you)
i had a roommate that i knew before he was on steroids, and after..................... huge difference

the point is this, we will never know how evander would have been without the steroids

but we do know this............







he lost to 8 fighters while cheating his fans, and the sport.

didnt know that

[frozensolid_702]

maybe he doesnt use steroids, but he sure as hell did


read the latest scoop and ask yourself "Why was he using a fake name to get them?"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...eld/index.html

this gut sets my theory that hes the most overrated fighter in the history of boxing, in concrete

this chump lost 8 times!!!

including losses to such heavyweight greats as: michael moorer, john ruiz, larry donald, and even got tko'd by the heavyweight bruiser, james toney. all of this while he was on steroids

that guy flat out CHEATED and it wasnt good enough for him to beat the fellow heavyweight chumps (excluding toney but how the F*** do you get knocked out by him??)

thoughts?

past his prime ??

his "prime" was peppered by losses.

bowe twice, and he even lost to michael moorer during his "prime" AND he was on steroids

hes a novelty, not a great. like a less skilled, heavyweight version, arturo gatti (but evander loses more) that CHEATED




so much for his "heart"

not to be nasty but what has bulking up your muscle and having natrual heart got to do with steroids mate ?? plus in that moorer loss he was having bad problems with his heart so i heard and there is no shame going 2-1 with one of best hws of the 90s

thats exactly it right there, bro

HE WAS ON STEROIDS!!!!!

steroids help you bulk up more than just a little bit

steroids put a mean streak in you as well (the kind of mean streak that will enable somebody to stand there and trade shots with you)
i had a roommate that i knew before he was on steroids, and after..................... huge difference

the point is this, we will never know how evander would have been without the steroids

but we do know this............







he lost to 8 fighters while cheating his fans, and the sport.

didnt know that

its cool, bro.


thats what steroids do.

in athletic competition steroids are the absolute pinnacle of cheating, espically in boxing (unless you put brass knuckles under your gloves, or something ridiculous)

true story about my roommate, too.

he got hella big and mean. over the course of 6 months he was in insane shape, and even tried to fight every other roommate in the house 1 by 1

read up on the effects of steroids, youll see what im talking about

[helminth]

The funny thing is that he is supposed to be some big "Holyman" too.

[frozensolid_702]

[quote=ICE COLD BOXING ]

maybe he doesnt use steroids, but he sure as hell did

there is no shame going 2-1 with one of best hws of the 90s

btw............. he was 1 out of 3 against bowe, and im assuming you havent seen the one time he got that split decision victory against bowe cause that was a horrendous robbery

my editing skills are absolutely horrible.

for those reading this, im anti-holyfield and ice cold is pro-holyfield

read from the top of the thread to see what im saying.

if a mod reads this, can you fix this? please?

[landmine950]

What proof is there that Evander Holyfield did steroids?
NONE!
A name from a list of thousand that "sounds" like his name?
One person in every 700 is named "evans" in the usa!

So then from that they make the jump to It MUST be Evander Holyfield using a fake name!!!

The sports Illustrated reports is an interview with two REPORTERS!
NOT law enforcement agents!
They say that they saw these documents and addresses and birthdates etc! BULLSH1t!!
These documents have been seized and would NEVER be turned over to reporters to scan through and make phone calls to suspects etc!
It two reporters trying to make a name for themselves!
Evander Holyfield and EVERY championship level fighter has to do MANATORY drug testing PERIOD!
Holyfield has NEVER had a positive test!

Any one who happens to be a Holyfield hater and starts saying this and that because "he was on steriods" is an IDIOT!

If you don't like the guy or whatever or think he's sh1t or a phoney or what ever fine, i don't really care. But when you start saying things like
"he lost 8 times while he was on steroids" when everyone knows he has been tested probably 50 times you really make yourself look like an idiot!


P.S. I would like to hear your reasoning for most overrated etc. Ifyou can supply some logical form of argument.

[amat]

He's really going on the attack here which is good but doesn't totally clear your name. I have had my suspicions in the past about him BUT...

maybe he doesnt use steroids, but he sure as hell did


read the latest scoop and ask yourself "Why was he using a fake name to get them?"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...eld/index.html

this gut sets my theory that hes the most overrated fighter in the history of boxing, in concrete

this chump lost 8 times!!!

including losses to such heavyweight greats as: michael moorer, john ruiz, larry donald chris byrd, and even got tko'd by the heavyweight bruiser, james toney. all of this while he was on steroids

that guy flat out CHEATED and it wasnt good enough for him to beat the fellow heavyweight chumps (excluding toney but how the F*** do you get knocked out by him??)

thoughts?

He hasn't been the same fighter since he fought Lewis for the first time. It was pretty clear that a 38 year old Holyfield couldn't cut it against the best. He only lost 3 times before the age of 38. He has a record of 4-5-2 past the age of 38. That's like saying the recent losses RJ or B-Hop suffered "peppered their primes"

And in the 3 losses, he lost his first to an in shape Riddick Bowe in an absolute tear up, fight of the year. The next fight he dropped was against Moorer in which Moorer probably got a gift decision. Then after avenging his first loss to Bowe they fought again and Evander was doing well and it was another awesome scrap until hepatitis wore him out.

2 losses to Bowe in 3 great fights, and a controversial decision loss to Moorer which he avenged by KO'ing him and he's overrated? If anything he's underrated in a sense, because possibly the best part of his career is largely ignored, that being him the greatest cruiserweight of all time.

[frozensolid_702]

What proof is there that Evander Holyfield did steroids?
NONE!
A name from a list of thousand that "sounds" like his name?
One person in every 700 is named "evans" in the usa!

So then from that they make the jump to It MUST be Evander Holyfield using a fake name!!!

The sports Illustrated reports is an interview with two REPORTERS!
NOT law enforcement agents!
They say that they saw these documents and addresses and birthdates etc! BULLSH1t!!
These documents have been seized and would NEVER be turned over to reporters to scan through and make phone calls to suspects etc!
It two reporters trying to make a name for themselves!
Evander Holyfield and EVERY championship level fighter has to do MANATORY drug testing PERIOD!
Holyfield has NEVER had a positive test!

Any one who happens to be a Holyfield hater and starts saying this and that because "he was on steriods" is an IDIOT!

If you don't like the guy or whatever or think he's sh1t or a phoney or what ever fine, i don't really care. But when you start saying things like
"he lost 8 times while he was on steroids" when everyone knows he has been tested probably 50 times you really make yourself look like an idiot!


P.S. I would like to hear your reasoning for most overrated etc. Ifyou can supply some logical form of argument.

im sooooo disappointed with you on this thread, bro



look at evanders record, and tell me hes as great as youre trying to let on.

ready for a logical arguement??

he lost to michael moorer, larry donald, chris byrd, got tko'd by james toney, lost 2 out of 3 (should have been 3 landslide victories for riddick) against bowe, got his overrated a** spanked by john ruiz.
his claim to fame was beating an ultrafaded mike tyson. had a draw with lennox (who also sucks,imo) and lewis was robbed the first fight. Obviously, your boy evander lost the rematch

hes a hw, less skilled version of arturo gatti, that lost more to lesser competition, and evander was cheating the whole time, to boot (yeah, im saying it again)



i suppose that you feel barry bonds (at least he was the best when he was cheating with steroids ) was also innocent?

did u read the article? do you think they were lying when they said evander answered the phone? look at the source, bro.






youre boys always been kind of a bitch, now theres proof

[landmine950]

Ya gee! lets just phone Evander Holyfield
hey call Madona.Micheal jackson and President Bush while were at it!
The reporters said they called him from the information
they say the helpfull police let them dig through! COME ON!!!

no where in my post did i say or "let on" that Evander was great.
I wouldn't disagree with the Gatti argument. Esp if Gatti was fighting at cruiserwieght.

HE did stand in and compete with the VERY best the Division had to offer at the time. even if it was Moorer,ruiz etc.
He outworked bigger guys...thats about all...and he could take a really good whack! Tyson whacked him a few really good ones.
He was disciplined. Against Tyson he "GLUED" his right hand to the side of his head and didn't drop it.
Stayed in shape......I dunno.....he was good maybe very good....great I dunno...
I think his achievement are looked upon more favorably because he was small...sort of the opposite of Valuev now