Quote Originally Posted by Taeth

First Mayweather had broken ribs during training before Castillo.
Really? Ok, I'll take your word for it. In any case, even without injuries Mayweather didn't do THAT much better in the rematch. It seemed to me he just had a better game plan. I.e. Avoid exchanges at all costs and don't give Castillo a chance to crowd you. If I remember correctly, Larry Merchant was saying something abotu the Tour de France that night.

Second Corley did not make Mayweather wobble on the ropes. He was against the ropes, but he didn't wobble at all. It stunned him a little much more because he wasn't expecting it than the punch hurting him.
Well it depends what your definition of wobble is. To me you don't have to be doing the Zab dance to be wobbled.

Also I think Baldomir is alot better htan some of those guys you mentioned, and that he would do well against quite a few of the fighters nowadays.
P4P wise, I don't think he's better than any of the champs Whitaker's fought, with the exception of maybe Jake Rodriguez and Alfredo Layne.

You say Mayweather hasn't faced anyone? Corrales was/is more skilled than Tito, and he faster p4p. Him, Casamayor and Castillo would have all done well in any lightweight era. Also it doesn't matter how much bigger Tito is than Mayweather if he can't hit him. Tito is so bad against movers he wouldn't stand chance against boxer who had far better feet than either ODLH or B-Hop.
Corrales is more skilled than Tito? Seriously, is that a joke?

Who are the movers that Tito has had trouble against? When DLH started 'moving', that's when Tito won rounds. He beat Whitaker, he beat Hector Camacho, he beat Oba Carr. Tito is no Carlos Baldomir, Floyd would have his hands full.

It is always who you face to prove if your great. Joe Louis never fought anybody that was good, and he is considered one of the top p4p ever fighters.
He's not considered one of the greatest of all time for nothing.

Billy Conn is an all time great. (As is Ezzard Charles and Rocky Marciano, even though he faced them when he was passed it.)

Other good fighters he fought and beat include Max Schmelling, Max Baer, J.H. Lewis, J.J. Walcott, Jimmy Bivins, amongst others.


Robinson fought tough guys, but he never fought a guy even close to on his skill level.
Oh dear me...I'll take it you've never seen Kid Gavilan? One of the best welterweights of all time and one of the most skilled fighters of all time.

The only reason he had tough fights is because he was comming into middleweight fights at 147 otherwise he would have killed Lamotta, and when he fought Fullmer and Basillio he was way past his prime or else he along with Hagler, Jones, Hopkins would have destroyed them as well.
Lamotta, Basilio and Fulmer were tough, tough guys. I don't think anyone 'destroys' them, even though I'd pick the guys you mentioned to beat them for sure.

Prime Mike Tyson is considered by many to be the best heavyweight ever, and he didn't have any real competition during his best.
Name me one respectable boxing authority that thinks that about Tyson.

And in any case, he DID have some competition. I wouldn't call Michael Spinks a nobody. I wouldn't call Larry Holmes that either, even though he was of course passed his best. Both those guys are all time greats.

Same with Lennox Lewis because Holyfield was already old, and much too small for him.
Small or not Holyfield was still decent at the time Lennox fought him. Lennox fought a lot of decent heavyweights. Nothing special, granted, but then again, who ranks Lewis that high up the heavyweight ranks anyway?

Roy Jones Jr. could have easily been considered top 10 p4p if he or the guys from Brittain at SMW would have been more willing to fight overseas.
He didn't take risks, and hence, he's not in my top 30 all time.


If Duran hadn't moved up with the exception of De Jesus he wouldn't have had the competition to be considered great, but luckily he did, and that's what Mayweather is doing as well right now.
Even if Duran didn't move up at all he;d still be considered great. DeJesus and Buchanan are both great fighters, both fighters I'd have in the top 100 all time. Better than the likes of Casamayor, Castillo and Corrales. Duran also faced and beat other good fighters like Marcel, Viruet, Lampkin and Mamby.


I've watched Nelson and I don't believe he is top 50 material. He is a great, but IMO he wasn't quite that good. I mean people have rated him over Hearns which is crap. So anyways I don't think you can really compare who the guys fought because most of the top p4p's ever except maybe the Leonard-Halger-Hearns-Duran, and the Ali-Frazier,Foreman era's were with one guy dominating everyone.
I think most great fighters have fought and beaten other greats. Some haven't, and get recognised as great due to other things, e.g. longevity, dominance over good opposition etc.