Who's Number 1? ESPN Counts Down the 20 Greatest Boxers of All Time

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i will be honest and admit i cant do a list of 20 as my knowledge of older boxers isnt that of most on here so i wont even try but i think maybe RJJ and Hopkins could squeeze in.

Jones I disagree on, but Hopkins could very well slide into 20-15, I would have him at about 21

Dear me amat? Is you crazy?? i mean alot of people are not fans of roy but he does slip easily into the top ten i mean, four weight division champion, and middle to heavy is a huge stretch over a career, he had skills and characteristics that had been unseen and thats what is all about baby he did it his own way. gotta disagree brother.

IMO, from the years 96 to 06, his career only had a couple high spots with a bunch of fights that should have been used to just keep busy instead of being main eventers. I mean, as spectacular as the guy was, he just didn't fight strong enough competition to be considered the greatest fighter of all time. It's a shame, but Roy never had that one career defining fight that set him head and shoulders above the other greats of his era, much less all time.

Why punish a fighter by history if they did the best they could against "their era" Roy ruled "an era" it wasn't the BEST Era but it was "An era" And he shouldn't be punished for not being 20 in the 70's should he?

He shouldn't neccesarily be punished but you can't deny, he does not have one major victory past Hopkins and Toney. I guess the Ruiz fight too. That's 3 good wins. Just good because he never beat a great fighter in the prime or at least near it. Still, RJJ is one of the few fighters who cracks the top 25 just by being really really good. When you talk about the all time greats, very few make it because of their skills even without a heap of great victories. Pernell is another one. He didn't exactly have bigger wins then ODLH or SLR but he is still ranked with them.

But I still think Pernell did have better wins then RJJ. He's top 25 of all time. When people look back on that era I think they will remember the great fights of other fighters in his era like DLH, Lewis, Trinidad and others. Mybe I was off in saying he wouldn't be remembered as a great. That's just not true but I don't think he'll be remembered as a top 10 ATG like a lot on this board seem to think he will be.

This is mine....

1. Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Willie Pep
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Benny Leonard
6. Gene Tunney
7. Joe Louis
8. Stanley Ketchel
9. Lou Ambers
10. Archie Moore
11. Pernell Whitaker
12. Carlos Monzon
13. Alexis Arguello
14. Emile Griffith
15. Kid Chocolate
16. Ray Leonard
17. Roberto Duran
18. Jack Dempsey
19. Oscar De La Hoya
20. Julio Cesar Chavez

Not the best list and I'm sure it could use some fine tuning, bit of era-clumping in there but I like it. And as always, I will gladly defend each fighter's spot on the list.

CC for your list. I really like it. The only bad things are having ODLH ahead of JCC is insane. JCC DOMINATED during his prime, he was freaking unbeatable, ODLH didn't dominate in his prime, he was simply really competitive. SRL really shouldn't be that low and Benny Leonard IMO shouldn't be on the list. Also, there is no Hagler and Arguello should be lower because he was outclassed twice by Pryor when Arguello was still a "young" fighter.

BIG fights from DLH. Honestly, love him or hate him he has had more mega fights then any non heavyweight in a long time. Carr, Quartey, Trinidad, Whitaker, Chavez, Vargas ect

No Hagler? Well I just disagree entirely. Not beat in 11 years and some huge victories. I couldn't possibly stomach leaving Hagler out of the top 20. In hindsight I would probably move Arguello and Griffith outside of the top 20 now that I know a lot more about boxing's history and great fighters. But Arguello was a great fighter, I've never seen a sharper punch.

And yeah I would probably move Leonard up the list considerably aswell. CC 168, liked the input.

Yea I like your list too Amat, but uhh, you did leave Hagler out of the top 20 unless I can't read.. He isn't on your list :P