Quote Originally Posted by El Gamo
Quote Originally Posted by galaxy76
Quote Originally Posted by El Gamo
Oh my gosh,people are actually thinking Vic can beat P4P top 4 Rafa Marquez? That is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I have ever heard . He fought one of the P4P hardest hitters in vAZquez and won. He's been in wars with much better fighters than Darchinyan. Where is the proof of his weak chin?
Look at his record 3 loses by K.O, sure his 1st was a stupid fight to take but the last to Garcia was in about his 24th fight. Apart from Austin & Johnson & now Vasquez his competition has never been against the top 2 or 3 guys in the division. I'm not saying Vic's has but Johnson was way past his best & thats a fact & Austin you could argue was stale from inactivity.

Marquez ain't #4 P4P in my book maybe yours, 7 is more like it for me. Give Darchinyan his chance to make a splash... hey if a guy with 3 k.o. loses on his record can make P4P theres a chance for Vic!!!

Theres no need to say something is dumb just because you disagree, you should be adult enough to respond without getting personal. Remember everyone has their own opinions!
Usually I would not label something dumb but when one is advocating an opinion based entirely on a fighters nationality,as many of you Darchinyan fans are, rather than actually looking at the skills of a fighter,that is exactly what it is....dumb.

Rafa has fought MUCH MUCH better competition than Vic,he's fought at least 6 ring top 10 fighters,beat 2 legends in Tim Austin and Mark Johnson,beat one of the top 3 fighters in the division,Silence Mabuza twice,went up and fought the champion and beat him too. You obviously have not seen that Rafa stoppage,he took a knee,and had a communication error with his corner,before he knew it,the ref had counted to 10.

Rafa has better technique than Vic,has fought much better fighters,better combinations,KO power in BOTH hands,is quicker,better defence,bigger,etc etc. So how exactly does Vic win?

Look at my points,logical,coherent,and I use evidence to support my points rather than Marquez has the perfect stlye for Vic to exploit.Where is the basis for a ridiculous statement like that?

Firstly I don't know why your using nationality, Vic fights out of Oz, I'm a kiwi. If you know anything about this side of the world you would know their is a huge rivalry between Kiwis & Aussies. So using nationality is out.

Mabuza was raked #5 both times Marquez fought him for the record. But I agree he is a top fighter! But as I said Austin was inactive & Johnson was over the hill.

I give credit to Marquez for defeating Vasquez who indeed was the 112 champion but in my opinion Vasquez was not the best fighter in the division. I'd rate that as Caballero before Marquez arrived. Another thing for the record out of Marquez' last 12 opponents 11 have been rated in the rings top 10. I love Rafael as a fighter & feel he is one of only a few guys out there that regularly fight the best competition.

I have seen the Garcia stoppage, & I'll admit Marquez did look pretty clear eyed but the fact of the matter is he did not take a knee for the fun of it... he looked hurt prior to that! Also take a look @ the Austin fight, to me it looked as if Marquez was on his way out before he landed that big shot in the 8th. I'm not saying Vic has the same skills as Austin but I feel he will be able to discourage him to the same extent.

I also saw Rafael struggle on numerous instances with Vargas who like Vic is a southpaw but doesn't hit anywhere as hard. I feel Marquez & Darchinyan would go at it toe to toe. I think Vic would land that big left on several occasions to both the body and head, I feel Vic would win the fight by wearing Rafael down & taking him out late.

P4P I feel Vic hits harder than Marquez & 10 pounds ain't gonna change that in my opinion.