Well basiically Bilbo, this arguement comes down to what you base p4p on. Stricly speaking by accomplishements, you have a very good point... Marquez can't yet match the achievements of Mayweather, Winky, Pac, or Hopkins. But, I still have him about top 3 after watching him beat Vasquez. It's hard to rank him above Pac or Winky, I understand that... But in terms of his ability, I feel he's right up there with them. Can't even remember where I had him beforehand(though he was in my top 10...) but moving up in weight to bneat Vasquez like that is extremely impressive. Especially since he fights at a low weight division, which not only does not receive the same attention and therefore mega fights as higher div's, in addition, it is much more difficult to successfully move up divisions, the smaller you are. Basically I would like to rate Hopkins, or Winky definetivly above Marquez, but at this stage in their careers, Im just not sure they are p4p better than he is, accomplishements aside. Guess Im really somewhat on the fence with this one... But R Marquez has all the goods, and I think you were doing Vasquez a huge injustice by saying he was no better than Lacy or Tarver... In fact, I wonder if you've ever seen him fight after hearing this