Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
.....yes but Jack Dempsey had a THREE YEAR LAYOFF the first time he lost to Tunney, and of course in the rematch there was the infamous LONG COUNT

So is Tunney still untouchable when he had to work hard to beat a guy who had a 3 year layoff
No I think a prime Dempsey could have taken Tunney and like you say there was the famous knockdown although that was Dempsey's own fault for not going to a neutral corner.

But you are missing my point.

I said they would BOTH beat Joe Louis.

Dempsey, Tunney, Jack Johnson are all better than Louis and Marciano imo.