Wacko's Drunken RBR of Barrera vs Marquez! Last minute help from superheavyrhun

[killersheep]

JMM UD, I'm just thinking he'll fight smart, and won't get caught flush. If we learned one thing about Barrera from the Juarez fights it's that he's hittable. JMM should be able to capitalize where Juarez could not. No way IMO that JMM can KO MAB though.

[El Gamo]

JMM on points for me. Although I have heard that MAB has looked superb in sparring,lightning fast,I think JMM has been waiting for a big shot for far far too long to let it go and the fact he has not been in as many wars as MAB will help too.

We saw Rafa Marquez preperations were superb v Vazquez,I expect his brother to be as well prepared,if not more so. And a win will firnly cement JMM's place in P4P because I know alot of people question his position. I disagree with one thing in your otherwise superb analysis Wack,I think JMM,at this weight,hits harder. It's devestating whereas I'd say MAB's power,at this age,and this weight is.... good.

[zhubin]

This is a tough fight to pick. But for me, one of the key factors is the fact that Marco has shown that nasty edge when he has needed it. He will try and win a fight anyway he can...box, brawl, or both. Marquez showed a lot of spirit against Pac, but he can also be tentative. In his recent fights he has tried to come out and be a big puncher to look for the knockout...to please fans and get attention for a big fight, but i just don't think his style is suited for going to war. Whereas Barrera can switch from boxer to brawler as well as anyone. It will be interesting to see what tactics each fighter starts off with. They are both great Mexican fighters...so you know neither will back up or back down. I'm picking Barrera by UD, because i have learned to never underestimate him. Should be a fantastic fight.

[amat]

I like Barrera in this one. Just a gut feeling really but when I look at it I see why.

He's just the more diverse fighter. Barrera can switch up the tempo better then anyone in boxing. He can go to war one round on the inside and take 1 to give 1 and then the next round he is cool calm and collected on the outside. It's so hard to steal a decision from someone like that. Even if Marquez can box just as well as Barrera, being patient and picking his spots, that doesn't mean he can flip the switch like Barrera. Barrera is a master of his own emotions and his opponents emotions. And I think we'll see Barrera dictate the pace of this fight. That doesn't mean he takes every round but Marquez is going to be dependent on Barrera. They won't brawl unless Barrera wants to and once they brawl if Barrera wants to then box on the outside, how does Marquez adjust to that? Especially if he smelt blood in the round before.

I don't know, I can't see Barrera losing a decision. I just can't he's to much of a general to lose on the cards imo. But stamina is always a worry with MAB especially as he climbs in age so I wouldn't be terribly shocked to see it stopped past 10. But still, Barrera UD.

A lot of people talked about the Green - Miranda fight fight having some FOTY qualities because of the POTENTIAL explosiveness the two can bring. One thing for sure, these two have PROVEN explosiveness and it should make for one hell of a fight.

[GAME]

I like Barrera in this one. Just a gut feeling really but when I look at it I see why.

He's just the more diverse fighter. Barrera can switch up the tempo better then anyone in boxing. He can go to war one round on the inside and take 1 to give 1 and then the next round he is cool calm and collected on the outside. It's so hard to steal a decision from someone like that. Even if Marquez can box just as well as Barrera, being patient and picking his spots, that doesn't mean he can flip the switch like Barrera. Barrera is a master of his own emotions and his opponents emotions. And I think we'll see Barrera dictate the pace of this fight. That doesn't mean he takes every round but Marquez is going to be dependent on Barrera. They won't brawl unless Barrera wants to and once they brawl if Barrera wants to then box on the outside, how does Marquez adjust to that? Especially if he smelt blood in the round before.

I don't know, I can't see Barrera losing a decision. I just can't he's to much of a general to lose on the cards imo. But stamina is always a worry with MAB especially as he climbs in age so I wouldn't be terribly shocked to see it stopped past 10. But still, Barrera UD.

A lot of people talked about the Green - Miranda fight fight having some FOTY qualities because of the POTENTIAL explosiveness the two can bring. One thing for sure, these two have PROVEN explosiveness and it should make for one hell of a fight.

Brilliant points CC

JMM against Pac boxed well and competantly but he doesnt up the pace or close the show when he needs to . It was as if every round was the same to him no change in tempo just conservative intelligent boxing. When Barrera beat Morales he started well , always did something in the last 10 seconds of the round to catch the judges eyes and would always close the show in the championship rounds

Marquez' lack of experience at the elite level is what seperates them IMO . Marquez may have more in the tank but he is slow to get out the blocks . I dont think his hands are as quick and he knows he has to be more assertive in this one which will mean coming out of his comfort zone . Barrera knows exactly how to negotiate 12 rounds and I think he will take a close decision on Saturday . No doubt !

[Wacko3205]

First & foremost (not to be confused with foreskin CuteMick) everyone has been ed for their comments…even comments as fwocked as this one:

Howz goin' Wacko, it's been a while since I came crashin' into you party... we're finally here, indeed, hahaaay, this is about the only statement I agree with the great Wacko here...just kiddin

He's still sore from the fact that my guy got up offa the mat three times to make his guy look...what's that phrase that Pacquiao is the living definition of?

Oh yeah...one dimensional.

Just playing daddyo...glad you crashed the party.

JMM gets off the canvas and wins via KO in a close match

Now that, my friend, would be glorious & definently worthy of an instant rematch.

I think this one might depend on how much JMM goes for the KO. I think that would be a huge mistake on his part - not to say he shouldn't go for it if he sees the opening, but to go in against MAB looking for the KO just plays right into his strengths.

Exactly the way I see it.

On the other hand, if JMM fights a smart, strategic fight, I think he can pull out a VERY hard fought decision. MAB won't lay down for him, no way.

Again...exactly the way I see it.

FOY? This one has the potential to be one of the best of all time, IMO.

Yep...totally agree.

I'll vote sentimental - I hope JMM wins just to get the credibility that I feel he deserves (and always has). JMM by SD in a fight we'll talk about for some time.

Agreed. I think that this is one of those fights that sticks with you for years. It's tuff to pick a winner because they are so evenly matched if they come in on point.

What shall I say? I think it's Marco by KO, and if Wacko and the other Marquez gang say that's because of my being a pac-fan, then I'll just plead guilty smiling like this for the sake of world peace. But geeze, almost everyone here is taken in by the pac-three-knockdown-coming-back-to-win myth!

Guilty your honor! Sentence his fwockin ass!!! Heh heh heh.

No seriously...he's guilty. What kills me is that (our joking nature aside) a lot of the biased pac-fans actually do want to see Barrera pull it out due to the fact that Marquez did come back to draw it out after getting dropped by Pac...kind of made the mythilogical power of Pac look...well...less mythical.

Why do I say Barrera? Let me start by saying he's fought much bigger fights than Marquez - way faaar by a mile. Second, Barrera has one of the toughest chin in the market, I think between the three, he's number 2, just behind Morales but just ahead of Pac. This is one of the most important factor in this fight, IMO, though it may sound a bit stupid. Why so? It's simply because once Barrera knows that he can take his opponent's punch, he will just go on swarming him until the KO, and I think he can, though let me say that Marquez IS a big puncher, no doubt. But see, Marco, at least in his prime, usually just keep on eatin' them big punches. Remember how he ate tons and tons of Pac's punches, one of the best in the market, and was still standing 'til the 11th and didn't go down until the end? - it was the towel that send him out, fools. But you may ask why did Juarez give him trouble? It's because Juarez was extremely effective from the inside and Marco played right into his game, in contrast with the way Winks handled Quartey's pestering inside game. Once Marco realized that, he just stood outside and bingo, he made Juarez look like a fool - can you imagine the big turnaround? So you see, I see Marco swarming Marquez and eventually stopping him, IF, he is in a good condition and I think you'll know if he is so right in the first round - if you see him coming strong I think that's it, otherwise, I'll leave it to you guyz.

Let me start by saying that if Barrera pulls it out...I wouldn't be surprised...but I'd rather see Marquez win because the prospects of a Pac rematch are much more appealing than those of a Barrera rematch.

...After all have been said, let us all, me, Wacko and all of you, for or aqainst whichever fighter, raise up our glasses and greet each others 'cheers' - may the better man win! and may that be Barrera.

Agreed. This will be a nice match up worthy of pounding down a few extree shots in simutaneously world wide via the wires & glorious connections of unity courtesy of saddoboxing.com!

great write up wack;

The only two points i wish to add (that cancell eachother out) are...

Marque: The biggest fight of his life IMO. Every great fighter has one very special fight in them, and its now or never for Marquez - i expect him to bring one of those special fights to the ring this saturday.

Barrera: So many great fights, so many great wars - one of the greatest mexican and boxers of all time! but come this saturday a loss will be unthinkable for him. He has lost before and come back, but after stating not long ago he only has a handfull of fights left in him, lossing now would spell the end of his carrer, maybe one more home coming fight but that would be it. So i would expect barrera to come to the ring and bring a very special fight - there is no way i can possibly see this fight not going the full 12!

Thanks babe. right back. Appreciate the love.

Agreed on your points 100%. This match is do or die for both…thing is…there is no shame in either man losing to the other…what would be nice was a draw that is worthy of actually being a draw.

JMM UD, I'm just thinking he'll fight smart, and won't get caught flush. If we learned one thing about Barrera from the Juarez fights it's that he's hittable. JMM should be able to capitalize where Juarez could not. No way IMO that JMM can KO MAB though.

Yep. Totally agree...

A win will firnly cement JMM's place in P4P because I know alot of people question his position. I disagree with one thing in your otherwise superb analysis Wack,I think JMM,at this weight,hits harder. It's devestating whereas I'd say MAB's power,at this age,and this weight is.... good.

Personally...I think that Marquez has been P4P for years & even though the loss to Chris John was still a loss...if you saw that fight...that was a hometown decision if I have ever seen one & it cost Marquez because he will never go back to Indo-China for a rematch...that totally was a horse shit decision.

Anywho...I disagree right back on the power thing.

I believe that he's fighting a little bit on the stupid side lately...trying to impress the fans too much.

Not sure how much harder he actually hits because he hasn't been in this weight for too long.

We shall see.

This is a tough fight to pick. But for me, one of the key factors is the fact that Marco has shown that nasty edge when he has needed it. He will try and win a fight anyway he can...box, brawl, or both. Marquez showed a lot of spirit against Pac, but he can also be tentative. In his recent fights he has tried to come out and be a big puncher to look for the knockout...to please fans and get attention for a big fight, but i just don't think his style is suited for going to war. Whereas Barrera can switch from boxer to brawler as well as anyone. It will be interesting to see what tactics each fighter starts off with. They are both great Mexican fighters...so you know neither will back up or back down. I'm picking Barrera by UD, because i have learned to never underestimate him. Should be a fantastic fight.

Well said...but I'm still banking on Marquez.

He's just the more diverse fighter. Barrera can switch up the tempo better then anyone in boxing. He can go to war one round on the inside and take 1 to give 1 and then the next round he is cool calm and collected on the outside. It's so hard to steal a decision from someone like that. Even if Marquez can box just as well as Barrera, being patient and picking his spots, that doesn't mean he can flip the switch like Barrera. Barrera is a master of his own emotions and his opponents emotions. And I think we'll see Barrera dictate the pace of this fight. That doesn't mean he takes every round but Marquez is going to be dependent on Barrera. They won't brawl unless Barrera wants to and once they brawl if Barrera wants to then box on the outside, how does Marquez adjust to that? Especially if he smelt blood in the round before.

I hate to disagree...but I gotta totally disagree...Marquez the more diverse & dynamic fighter.

Marquez seems to be able to adapt better than Barrera & Marco gearing up & down (IWO) won't be enough to match JMM's ability to switch up & counter. Changing speeds won't work if MAB runs the same up & down pace & game plan that he held against Juarez & JMM is a whole lot bigger of a challenge than a worn out Morales.

I still say that MAB hasn't seen anything like JMM.

Those initials sure are fun to work with.

I don't know, I can't see Barrera losing a decision. I just can't he's to much of a general to lose on the cards imo. But stamina is always a worry with MAB especially as he climbs in age so I wouldn't be terribly shocked to see it stopped past 10. But still, Barrera UD.

Honestly...I feel you here...I think that if it goes the distance...no matter what Marquez does...Barrera wins it...& I hate the thought of that.

A lot of people talked about the Green - Miranda fight fight having some FOTY qualities because of the POTENTIAL explosiveness the two can bring. One thing for sure, these two have PROVEN explosiveness and it should make for one hell of a fight.

These two are actually proven boxers & also have KO power.

Huge difference here & for some reason...I think most fans are veering away from this match up.

Good points.

Marquez' lack of experience at the elite level is what seperates them IMO . Marquez may have more in the tank but he is slow to get out the blocks . I dont think his hands are as quick and he knows he has to be more assertive in this one which will mean coming out of his comfort zone . Barrera knows exactly how to negotiate 12 rounds and I think he will take a close decision on Saturday . No doubt !

Here is where I think everyone is mistaken...Marquez has a shitload of experience & is the much more diverse fighter.

We shall see.

[No Contest]

Barrera is going to pressure and make it a war, I think he wins a war and Marquez' only shot is to outbow him.Im picking Barrera by decision but he might get the knockout, he always steps up in fights like these. Alot of people are counting him out saying hes old, hes got something to prove again so he should step up as usual.Im not sold on Marquez yet he seems to have trouble in the big fights.

[Wacko3205]

Barrera is going to pressure and make it a war, I think he wins a war and Marquez' only shot is to outbow him.Im picking Barrera by decision but he might get the knockout, he always steps up in fights like these. Alot of people are counting him out saying hes old, hes got something to prove again so he should step up as usual.Im not sold on Marquez yet he seems to have trouble in the big fights.

The one thing everyone keeps forgetting is that Marquez has never been stopped & Barrera has...& by a shared foe that could not keep Marquez on the mat no matter how hard he tried...I'm speaking of the world renowned Pacquiao ofcourse.

I don't really think that it's a case of Barrera being too old...just a hard match up of styles.

Marquez will bring angles to the game that Barrera hasn't deal with in years. People talk about Barrera being diverse...Marquez is the one that is the one with diversity as the tips of his mits.

This will be a great fight...but I gotta root for my guy.

Also...Marquez has only faltered once (Freddie Norwood) against one man, drawn with another, lost to DQ in his first match...the other blemish was a robbery...a hometown decision...& it was that...I saw them all.

[bcollins]

Let me start by saying that if Barrera pulls it out...I wouldn't be surprised...but I'd rather see Marquez win because the prospects of a Pac rematch are much more appealing than those of a Barrera rematch.

back - great job of keeping these discussions moving well.

Here's one spot I have to disagree with you - I get all mouth watery over either one of those rematches with Pacquiao! Pac's brought his game up a lot since both of those fights, rounded out a bit. The only downside I see to MAB/JMM at all is that there will probably be a rematch with Pacquiao for the winner, and a rematch between Pac and the other guy may never happen!

These guys should just fight a round robin tournament

[Wacko3205]

Let me start by saying that if Barrera pulls it out...I wouldn't be surprised...but I'd rather see Marquez win because the prospects of a Pac rematch are much more appealing than those of a Barrera rematch.

back - great job of keeping these discussions moving well.

Here's one spot I have to disagree with you - I get all mouth watery over either one of those rematches with Pacquiao! Pac's brought his game up a lot since both of those fights, rounded out a bit. The only downside I see to MAB/JMM at all is that there will probably be a rematch with Pacquiao for the winner, and a rematch between Pac and the other guy may never happen!

These guys should just fight a round robin tournament

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That being stated...I get slobberish too about the rematches...but I truly believe that Marquez has shown the better game than Barrera has since the Pac matches.

In all truth...I think that Pac has appeared a bit...off since his match with Larios.

Maybe I'm just looking for a reason...& don't get me wrong...I like Barrera...but to me...Marquez is the more completer fighter.

Cheers though for the discussion...if we all agreed 100%...what fwocken fun would we have?!?!

[amat]

I hate to disagree...but I gotta totally disagree...Marquez the more diverse & dynamic fighter.

Marquez seems to be able to adapt better than Barrera & Marco gearing up & down (IWO) won't be enough to match JMM's ability to switch up & counter. Changing speeds won't work if MAB runs the same up & down pace & game plan that he held against Juarez & JMM is a whole lot bigger of a challenge than a worn out Morales.

I still say that MAB hasn't seen anything like JMM.

I really don't agree. With class competition, the Pacquiao fight, I think it had more to do with Pacquiao not responding to adversity more then anything. I wouldn't say he spent himself in trying to get JMM out of there but I don't think he adjusted well after that second round. That's the reason people started saying Pacquiao was a one handed one dimensional fighter because once Marquez was able to avoid the left he basically just had a field day. I don't really think Marquez dictated the pace of the fight so much as he just adjusted and Pac let up. Barrera might not be the faster and he might not be more powerful then Marquez (in fact I think it's safe to say he just isn't) but he is the ring general in there imo. And he will control how the fight goes. And Morales was coming off a victory over Pacquiao in their third bout I would hardly call him washed up.

And while Barrera has seen no one like JMM, JMM hasn't seen anyone like Barrera either.

Those initials sure are fun to work with.

Yeah they are. JMM, Pac, EM and MAB and you've basically summed up 129.

Honestly...I feel you here...I think that if it goes the distance...no matter what Marquez does...Barrera wins it...& I hate the thought of that.

I'm not talking about robbery I'm saying that Barrera just wins to many rounds, no matter who you put him in with. I think it has to do with the changing gears thing again. While the opponent is adjusting on the fly, Barrera is winning the round. Of course it's not quite that simple but it boils down to about that. I've heard before that Barrera has a gameplan for all 12 rounds before he enters a fight knowing what he wants to do every round of the fight. How many fighters could actually pull that off? Barrera has to be one of them.

These two are actually proven boxers & also have KO power.

Huge difference here & for some reason...I think most fans are veering away from this match up.

Good points.

Yeah I mean I'm a fan of potential superstars taking a step up but this is ridiculous how little this fight has been talked about until this week. This is a BIG fight being made and it's kind of gotten the cold shoulder? Could you imagine how hot MAB would be if he won this fight? He could move up to number 2 in P4P imo.

CC returned.

[GAME]

Here is where I think everyone is mistaken...Marquez has a shitload of experience & is the much more diverse fighter.

What I mean by experience is at the elite level fighters have to convince judges anyway they can whether it be upping their work in the last 10 seconds , starting a round fast , knowing when they need to make a statement etc . Marquez is very good at what he does . I think he could have beat Pacman but he didnt put his foot on the gas at important times . He also didnt close the show in the last round he just came out for it like it was any other round but Pac fought his heart out and earned a draw cuz of it . Barrera has this experience im talking about through the Morales - Nas fights where he lifts his work , just enough to catch the judges eyes . He knows when to up his pace or when its essential to win a round . I can see Marquez having control of this fight but Barrera always coming back at him when JMM settles making it close on the cards. Barrera will lift it early and late and I believe that will be enough to sway the judges even though Marquez is the guy coming into this fight the fresher and with more in the tank

As you say we will see. CC back at you . I really cannot wait for this fight . Its up there with the most anticipated ever thats including all the heavyweight fights

[ICB]

barrera wins this one by decision i think it will be close fight but judges will look for aggression and barrera will win on that then barrera will rematch with pac and gets beating sorry game but i think if he rematches pac after marquez fight he will get beaten bad maybe not as bad as first time but still pretty bad

[Gandalf]

barrera wins this one by decision i think it will be close fight but judges will look for aggression and barrera will win on that then barrera will rematch with pac and gets beating sorry game but i think if he rematches pac after marquez fight he will get beaten bad maybe not as bad as first time but still pretty bad

Lets wait until we see how Barrera responds to this challenge before judging how he will do against Pac...Im hoping Barrera puts in a performance that will have the boxing community buzzing....

[pacfan]

...After all have been said, let us all, me, Wacko and all of you, for or aqainst whichever fighter, raise up our glasses and greet each others 'cheers' - may the better man win!

Agreed. This will be a nice match up worthy of pounding down a few extree shots in simutaneously world wide via the wires & glorious connections of unity courtesy of saddoboxing.com!

Sounds great to me... Great rebutal, Wacko, I thought I could get away with that, with millions of postings here to confuse you. Responding to all posters, and point by point at that, now that's what I consider total dedication.
I think Saddo outta be paying Wacko for this, what you think folks? All right Saddo, I'll take back what I've just said (I wonder if I can still sign-in after this )
So here's my (Sorry about that, I always forget the courtesy CC expected of a guest) ...Let's enjoy the fight!!!


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..Guyz, I like this joint cuz everyone seems to be more rational here, but why does everyone suddenly becomes tame here, unlike when the fights are months away. Where's this 'my boy can whip your boyz azz' stuff? C'mon folks, don't be timid, light some fire out there, but of course without the usual muds and name callings. But on the second thought, maybe that ain't that bad cuz it adds some spices here at the saddos - what's saddos without few f-words, huh?

Where's BoxingGod, I haven't seen him in a while?