The 20 Greatest fighters of All time?

[BIG H]

Bit of a free for all and not in order - but here goes ...........

Sugar Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Willie Pepp
Muhammad Ali
Roberto Duran
Jimmy Wilde
Benny Leonard
Julio Cesar Chavez
Pernell Whitaker
Sandy Saddler
Sugar Ray Leonard
Harry Greb
RJJ
Sammy Langford
Ricardo Lopez
Charlie Burley
Hagler
Monzon
Archie Moore
Gene Tunney
Larry Holmes
Aaron Pryor
Eder Jofre
Joe Louis
Ezzard Charles
Alexis Arguello
Billy Conn

[matteoz]

ok heres my top 20 in no order(to hard to rank them) so ill just list the top 20 in no particular order
ALI
SRR
SRL
MIKE TYSON
LARRY HOLMES
JOE LOUIS
JACK DEMPSEY
JAKE LAMOTTA
MARVIN HAGLER
ROBERTO DURAN
WILLIE PEP
HENRY ARMSTRONG
SONNY LISTON
LENNOX LEWIS
JACK JOHNSON
TOMMY HEARNS
EVANDER HOLYFIELD
ROCKY MARCIANO
JOE FRAZIER
RIDDICK BOWE

i probably forgot a few,id need to put more thought in to it but thats just of the top of my head

GREAT LIST,i see your taste in boxing is exactly like mine going by your top 20

[matteoz]

ok heres my top 20 in no order(to hard to rank them) so ill just list the top 20 in no particular order
ALI
SRR
SRL
MIKE TYSON
LARRY HOLMES
JOE LOUIS
JACK DEMPSEY
JAKE LAMOTTA
MARVIN HAGLER
ROBERTO DURAN
WILLIE PEP
HENRY ARMSTRONG
SONNY LISTON
LENNOX LEWIS
JACK JOHNSON
TOMMY HEARNS
EVANDER HOLYFIELD
ROCKY MARCIANO
JOE FRAZIER
RIDDICK BOWE

i probably forgot a few,id need to put more thought in to it but thats just of the top of my head

GREAT LIST,i see your taste in boxing is exactly like mine going by your top 20

bar lennox lewis...SORRY,

[spanky-banky]

ok heres my top 20 in no order(to hard to rank them) so ill just list the top 20 in no particular order
ALI
SRR
SRL
MIKE TYSON
LARRY HOLMES
JOE LOUIS
JACK DEMPSEY
JAKE LAMOTTA
MARVIN HAGLER
ROBERTO DURAN
WILLIE PEP
HENRY ARMSTRONG
SONNY LISTON
LENNOX LEWIS
JACK JOHNSON
TOMMY HEARNS
EVANDER HOLYFIELD
ROCKY MARCIANO
JOE FRAZIER
RIDDICK BOWE

i probably forgot a few,id need to put more thought in to it but thats just of the top of my head

GREAT LIST,i see your taste in boxing is exactly like mine going by your top 20

bar lennox lewis...SORRY,

why not lewis? he might not be the most exciting fighter but his skill cant be denied!.........he is the last unified HW , he avenged his 2 losses and fought everyone except bowe

[porkypara]

in my opinion here is a list of the 20 greatest fighters ever to step into the ring....


20. Marvelous Marvin Hagler...one of the greatest middleweights ever, probably should have gotten the win against the legendary Sugar Ray Leonard in their "SuperFight" of the '80s.

19. Aaron "The Hawk" Pryor...one of the most dominating junior welters of all time, rumor has it, Ray Leonard ran to welter to avoid a clash with this man who destroyed Alexis Arguello not once but twice. Only suffered one defeat, towards the end of his career.

18. Rocky Marciano...only fighter ever to retire undefeated heavyweight champion of the world. wins over Archie Moore, Joe Walcott and (an aging) Joe Louis. He accomplished all of this all while weighing in at a less-than-heavyweight 188-195 lbs.

17. Joe Louis...held the world heavyweight championship for a record 11 years. Broke down racial barriers in his career with his charisma and polite mannerisms, not to mention his annihilation of Max Schmeling as Hitler and the world watched to see if the Fuhrer's claim that no black man could beat an arian was true. It took less than 124 seconds for Joe to prove it a farce.

16. Floyd Mayweather Junior...may go up in the list as he moves on and fights more great opponents. right now his resume wasnt quite good enough to break my top 15 but it goes without saying he deserves a place on it somewhere...champion of four weight divisions, undefeated, taught to box before he could walk. May go on to be a top five of all time fighter...time will tell.

15. Harry Greb...fought a recorded 299 times; a natural welterweight who won the world middleweight championship as well as the north american light heavyweight championship in the 1920's. Rumored to have been ducked after embarrassing Jack Dempsey in sparring sessions (remember in Harry, we are talking about a welterweight-and-possibly-blown-up-middleweight size fighter), Harry Greb holds wins over fighters such as Jimmy Walker and Gene Tunney; the same man who beat Dempsey for his belt in their famous "long count" fight years later. Greb supposedly not only was a phenomenal fighter, but a disabled one, fighting nearly the entire second half of his 13 year career with one eye after being blinded by a punch that shredded a retina.

14. Willie Pep...one of the top 3 greatest defensive fighters of all time and one of the fastest if not THE fastest. Pep had a record of 230-11 and was a two time featherweight champion of the world. Never even was exposed as being human until after his near fatal plane crash which was supposed to kill him did he begin to suffer losses on his record such as in his memorable four fight saga with Sandy Sadler.


13. Bob Fitzsimmons...one of boxing's first triple crown champions. Won the middleweight championship (and is considered the hardest middleweight puncher of all time), then went up to heavyweight to KO then-champion Jim Corbett. Lost to Jim Jeffries and moved to light heavyweight to win the title, then back up to fight a tough match against the legendary Jack Johnson, which he lost. Considered by Ring Magazine to be "the 8th hardest puncher of all time".

12. "Hammerin' Hank" Armstrong...won world titles at featherweight, lightweight and welterweight all while maintaining the featherweight limit so he could defend them simultaneously. This record will never be broken. Armstrong had 150 victories with over 100 knockouts.

11. Roberto Duran...five world titles in four different weight classes; the only fighter to fight through five decades of boxing; had nearly 120 fights in his lengthy career and won 103 of them. Quite possibly THE best lightweight of all time.

10. Pernell Whitaker...Olympic golden boy. First unified lightweight champion since Duran. Also won the welterweight, junior welterweight and junior middleweight world championships making him a champion in four different weight divisions (which is quite remarkable being as he is about 5'6). Fought legends such as Julio Cesar Chavez and Oscar Delahoya, and in my opinion, won both despite questionable decisions by the judges. One of my favorite fighters ever, this guy was the Willie Pep of his time.

9. Tommy "The Hitman" Hearns...A 5-division world champ, Hearns would have been the fighter of his era without question had it not been for losses to Ray Leonard and Hearns. Really, he was robbed against Sugar Ray the second time around. This guy doesnt always get the credit he deserves. Maybe the most devastating puncher the welterweight division has ever seen (just ask Duran, who he KOed in two rounds). Won world titles as a welterweight, junior middleweight, middleweight, supermiddleweight and light heavyweight.

8. James "Lights Out" Toney...Say what you want about James Toney. His record speaks for itself. A nine time world champion in three weight divisions, including the heavyweight division in a bout where he clearly outboxed and outpunched a plodding and bewildered John Ruiz to a clear cut decision win. Unfortunately for James, he was stripped of the title after testing positive for steroids which he claimed a doctor had given him to heal a torn bicep from a previous heavyweight match up against, I believe, Rydell Booker. A great finisher and one of the three men ever to move up from middleweight (in the 1990's) to win a heavyweight title, James Toney is still competing at the top level with today's heavyweight contenders.

7. Roy Jones, Jr...5 time world champion in four weight divisions; middleweight, supermiddleweight, light heavyweight and heavyweight (he beat John Ruiz's ass worse than Toney did, btw). Should have won Olympic gold too, but was robbed. Pretty much ruled, without question, his division since the early nineties; only until recent losses against Tarver and Johnson has he faded away and now may finally retire. Holds wins over Virgil Hill, Bernard Hopkins, James Toney, Vinny Pazienza and Michael "Second to" Nunn, to name a few.

6. Oscar Delahoya...a lotta G.B. haters will chew this one up I'm sure, but I look at it like this...on paper; He was the only medal winner from the American Boxing Team, winning, of course, his famous gold medal in Barcelona. Delahoya is the first boxer ever to hold world titles in 6 divisions, breaking records held by Sugar Ray Leonard and Thomas Hearns. This can totally be argued as to whether he deserved to; he in my opinion fought a very lackluster fight which it didnt look to me like he won against a no name fighter named Felix Sturm from Germany. I believe it was also for a no-name belt that was invented so that Oscar could break the record and build more hype leading into his then-upcoming megafight with Hopkins that he would go on to lose. The fact still remains that Oscar is a 10 time world champion in six different weight classes. Off paper, the guy has fought some good opposition; he's gone up against Hopkins, Trinidad, Ike Quartey, Fernando Vargas, Oba Carr, Julio Cesar Chavez, Rafael Ruelas, Pernell Whitaker, Hector Camacho, Jorge Paez, Jesse James Leigha (in his prime), and sluggers like Gatti and Mayorga. He has beaten most of them to the ground. Another reason he gets such high status on this list is the fact that Delahoya is one of those figures that can transcend the sport; he is great for boxing because he opens vessels to entirely new audiences of people and has started a promotional company which I believe will help "clean up" and regulate boxing the way it has so badly needed.

5. Bernard "The Executioner" Hopkins...One of the most dominant middleweight champions ever. He was even middleweight champion in prison (3 times). After doing time for "strong-armed robbery" which meant he beat the shit out of you and took your chain, Hopkins went on to break Sugar Ray Robinson's record of defenses for the middleweight crown. At 41, the guy beat Antonio Tarver for the light heavyweight title and now looks for a fight against one of the most dangerous opponents out there; Winky Wright.

4. TIE---Sam Langford...throughout his 25+ year career, he was denied a title shot because of his color (even by Jack Johnson, who most said, like Dempsey, was afraid to fight Langford), Langford was an anomaly. Ranging from 139 to 204 lbs, he fought from jr welter to heavyweight against a wealth of opponents, including a prime pre-title Jack Johnson in what was said to be an extremely close match in which Johnson took a narrow decision from Langford, who had given up nearly 40 pounds to the future champ. Like Greb, he went blind halfway through his career yet still won the Mexican heavyweight championship, at about 39 and 95% blind. Sam Langford faced fighters like Sam McVey, Tiger Flowers, Joe Gans, Stanley Ketchel and Jack Johnson. The few that did beat him never did it convincingly. Sam Langford is the greatest fighter ever to never receive a shot at a world Boxing historian Burt Sugar ranks Langford 16th in his book, The 100 Greatest Fighters of All Time. Nat Fleischer, editor in chief of Ring Magazine ranks him as the #7 heavyweight of all time, and Herb Goldman; founder of the International Boxing Research Association ranks him as the #2 light heavyweight of all time. Sam Langford is a member of both the Ring Boxing Hall of Fame and the International Boxing Hall of Fame. He fought at least 293 times with at least 167 wins (at least 117 KOs), 38 losses and a combined 85 draws and no-contests.

4. TIE---Evander Holyfield. The only four time heavyweight champion of all time (on paper; the fourth title to break Ali's record was "given" to Evander when a new belt was created for his first fight with John Ruiz), Holyfield has shown impressive heart and firepower in his career against fighters like George Foreman, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Larry Holmes,Riddick Bowe, James Toney and James "Buster" Douglas. A natural cruiserweight, Holyfield was questioned initially by the experts as to whether he could hang with the big boys at heavyweight. He proved them wrong when he became the undisputed world champion, and now seeks to prove more people wrong as he heads on a final run to do it again.


3. Sugar Ray Leonard...overnight gold medal sensation who transcended the sport like fighters before him such as Ali and fighters after him such as Oscar Delahoya. World champion in five different weight classes and one of the more graceful and beautiful fighters to watch in motion. Ray Leonard beat world class legendary fighters like Tommy Hearns, Roberto Duran, Marvin Hagler, Wilfredo Benitez while electrifying audiences with his hand speed and boxing skill. Leonard will always be remembered not only for his legendary speed and grace (which allowed him to “steal” rounds in the final seconds), but also for his tireless dedication to charity and promotion of the sport we all love.

2. Muhammad Ali...what sucks is we will never know how great he really would have been as his best years were taken from him during his incarceration. Probably the most charismatic and colorful fighter of all time. Invented what it was to transcend the genre and break the mold; Ali was much more than a fighter, though as a fighter he was a fantastic specimen. A great speaker and politician, he was also one of the fastest and most scientific heavyweight champions that ever lived. He was the first three time heavyweight champion and a true sports icon. Ali fought wars in the ring against ridiculously qualified opposition; Joe Frazier, George Foreman in his prime, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Archie Moore, Kenny Norton, Ingemar Yohannson and Larry Holmes. Synonymous with the phrase, "The Greatest".

1. Sugar Ray Robinson...in a career that spanned three decades, he consistently outshined everyone else around the boxing circles of the world. Robinson was the perfect combination of speed and power, compiling the types of knockouts in such rhythmic and brilliant fashion that he captivated boxing audiences like no fighter ever had before. A former welterweight world champion, Ray held the middleweight world title five times. 175 wins. 19 losses. 16 of these losses came after the age of 35 as his skills began to fade. Once fought 3 times in 21 days and twice in eight days. Holds wins over Carmen Basilio, Jake "The Raging Bull" Lamotta, Henry Armstrong, Gene Fullmer, Rocky Graziano and Randy Turpin. Like I said before, a more perfect combination of the elements it takes to make a great great boxer had never come together so well before in one man as they did Sugar Ray Robinson. Pound for pound the best that ever lived.

8 of your top 10 have boxed in the last 20 years or so and 6 of them are still boxing.

Your list has to many contemprary fighters.

[THE THIRD MAN]

ok heres my top 20 in no order(to hard to rank them) so ill just list the top 20 in no particular order
ALI
SRR
SRL
MIKE TYSON
LARRY HOLMES
JOE LOUIS
JACK DEMPSEY
JAKE LAMOTTA
MARVIN HAGLER
ROBERTO DURAN
WILLIE PEP
HENRY ARMSTRONG
SONNY LISTON
LENNOX LEWIS
JACK JOHNSON
TOMMY HEARNS
EVANDER HOLYFIELD
ROCKY MARCIANO
JOE FRAZIER
RIDDICK BOWE

i probably forgot a few,id need to put more thought in to it but thats just of the top of my head

GREAT LIST,i see your taste in boxing is exactly like mine going by your top 20

bar lennox lewis...SORRY,

why not lewis? he might not be the most exciting fighter but his skill cant be denied!.........he is the last unified HW , he avenged his 2 losses and fought everyone except bowe

Good list bar Lewis who I wouldn't rank in the top 20 Heavyweights of all time!

[matteoz]

ok heres my top 20 in no order(to hard to rank them) so ill just list the top 20 in no particular order
ALI
SRR
SRL
MIKE TYSON
LARRY HOLMES
JOE LOUIS
JACK DEMPSEY
JAKE LAMOTTA
MARVIN HAGLER
ROBERTO DURAN
WILLIE PEP
HENRY ARMSTRONG
SONNY LISTON
LENNOX LEWIS
JACK JOHNSON
TOMMY HEARNS
EVANDER HOLYFIELD
ROCKY MARCIANO
JOE FRAZIER
RIDDICK BOWE

i probably forgot a few,id need to put more thought in to it but thats just of the top of my head

GREAT LIST,i see your taste in boxing is exactly like mine going by your top 20

bar lennox lewis...SORRY,

why not lewis? he might not be the most exciting fighter but his skill cant be denied!.........he is the last unified HW , he avenged his 2 losses and fought everyone except bowe

lewis did have big acheivments that cant be denied but it just never had that zip for me,now the man could box dont get me wrong but he just never had that destroying or that killer instinct i dont think,now with lennox and his skills and ability imagine if he had that killer instinct in him he would of been some right complete artical for me....he made big meals of some fights ,done too m,uch dilly dallying for me but he was good and bar his night with a finished tyson and his couple of controversial fights with holyfield he never realy done nothing.YES he beat holyfield in the first fight but i actualy thought holyfield won or at least a draw in the second fight so bar them 3 fights he never done nothing that realy thrilled me and klitco had the better of him untill the eye and i thought a prepered bowe would of flattened lewis.IMO

[Majesty]

where's Henry Armstrong and Jack Johnson

But nice list

[undefeated]

muhammad ali is the greatest--sugar ray has got a better record--but he was a middleweight--heavyweights generally dont fight as much.

[Preme]

Bit of a free for all and not in order - but here goes ...........

Sugar Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Willie Pepp
Muhammad Ali
Roberto Duran
Jimmy Wilde
Benny Leonard
Julio Cesar Chavez
Pernell Whitaker
Sandy Saddler
Sugar Ray Leonard
Harry Greb
RJJ
Sammy Langford
Ricardo Lopez
Charlie Burley
Hagler
Monzon
Archie Moore
Gene Tunney
Larry Holmes
Aaron Pryor
Eder Jofre
Joe Louis
Ezzard Charles
Alexis Arguello
Billy Conn

thats ahell of a list there BIg H gunna have to CC for it, nice to see guys like conn tunny and wilde are getting mentions! - can never do one my self, everytime i try it i keep trying to compare fighters from different weights and times and i just think fuck it

[BIG H]

CC Back mate