Mayweather madness

[MannyP]

MannyP...Floyd is just to advanced for these average welters that everyone "hopes" can beat Floyd.Who is he suppose to fight?He offered to fight Mosley on 3 seperate occasions.I dont see how its hyped...considering his 121-6 lifetime record.

Yes, he's a fantastic fighter...at lightweight. Personally, I don't believe he can deal with the size and power of the bigger fighters, and based on the competition he has chosen through his career, I don't think that there is anything there that shows he can.

As far as the welters that "everyone 'hopes' can beat Floyd," I have no idea what you're talking about since that was kind of my point, they're average...nothing special. Certainly not a test as to what Mayweather can do against a truly bigger and stronger fighter.

Still, everyone wants to justify their argument that he can fight at 154 based on his ability to twist and turn and out point small guys with no real power who were physically dominated by him at what, 130, 135? What does that prove? In fact, when I look back on his career I would say that the best fighter he's ever faced was Castillo, and I give him credit for two good decision wins against a quality fighter, but 1) they were not dominating wins and 2) Castillo is nowhere near the quality of Oscar.

I'm not a Floyd hater, I just want him to justify the hype. If he can do it and show me something I haven't seen in him before, I say good for him and I'll give him the credit deserved. Until then, however, I have to call it based on what I've seen and, based on that, he hasn't proven it to me yet. Not at 154, that's for sure.

[Olympian904]

I get you Mannyp...I personally dont wanna see Floyd at another 154 fight.As for size...Zab,Gatti,and Baldo all were bigger and stronger than him and look what happened.People wanna see a Cotto fight but Cotto didnt impress me against Urkal and Malignaggi.He is being sold on his body punching and knockout power...and his body shots had little effect in his last 2 fights and they took his power shots the whole night.
As for Margo...people want him to be better than he really is...period.
As for Mosley...he let Winky counter punch him to death.Winky beat him to the punch 80% of the time and completely frustrated Mosley.Whats gonna happen when mayweather frustrates him?Me personally...I dont think ONE good fight convinces me that Mosley is able to beat mayweather right now.
As for Hatton...that fight is pretty much gonna happen.So who else is there out there for mayweather to fight??explain why

[MannyP]

I get you Mannyp...I personally dont wanna see Floyd at another 154 fight.As for size...Zab,Gatti,and Baldo all were bigger and stronger than him and look what happened.People wanna see a Cotto fight but Cotto didnt impress me against Urkal and Malignaggi.He is being sold on his body punching and knockout power...and his body shots had little effect in his last 2 fights and they took his power shots the whole night.
As for Margo...people want him to be better than he really is...period.
As for Mosley...he let Winky counter punch him to death.Winky beat him to the punch 80% of the time and completely frustrated Mosley.Whats gonna happen when mayweather frustrates him?Me personally...I dont think ONE good fight convinces me that Mosley is able to beat mayweather right now.
As for Hatton...that fight is pretty much gonna happen.So who else is there out there for mayweather to fight??explain why

I always thought that Cotto was taylor made for Mayweather. I was hoping for a long time that they might fight in the hopes of getting Floyd relatively cheap (I am in Vegas after all). Cotto can not fight quick, skilled boxers. He would have a punchers chance against Floyd, I guess, but I don't think he would be able to catch him and make it count. Hatton would be even worse, Floyd would have a two inch height advantage and a seven inch reach advantage. Are you kidding? Hatton is quick, but to be honest, not great in terms of technical skill. Also, his power is overrated. He does not have one punch knockout power, and that's what he would need against Mayweather. I do not believe Hatton could accumulate the damage needed to actually make his power a factor. At times he could make Mayweather look bad by crowding him and taking the fight to him, but all in all, I think it is a very bad match up for Hatton.

As far as Mosley-Mayweather goes, that would be very interesting. I see Mosley's biggest weakness as being against tall fighters with an active and effective jab. It keeps him at distance and off balance. Also, for all his skills, he is not good at working around it to do what he needs to do. A la, Forrest and Wright. He had no answer for either of them. Mayweather does not fit that mold, however, so would have to challenge Mosley in a completely different way. Mayweather does have the skills to do it, however. On the other side, Mosley would have a height and strength advantage, to go along with a significant reach advantage. Mosley, however, does not possess one punch knock out power, just like Hatton, and that would really open up the options for Floyd in terms of how to attack him.

As of this time, I have no strong feeling as to the outcome of this matchup, although I do think Floyd winning by decision is a possiblility.

Regarding Zab,Gatti,and Baldo, they had bigger builds than Mayweather, and were almost certainly stronger, but were not bigger men in terms of fighting attributes. None of them had an advantage in height or reach on Mayweather. None of them were good indicators of how he would do against bigger men, either at 147 or 154. Personally, I wasn't impressed with him against any of them, but if he can pull it off against ODLH, it will show me a lot and I'll have to reappraise his skill at that level. As for now, I just don't see it.

I have heard Mayweather say that he intends to retire after this fight. If he changes his mind and chooses to continue, he really could face any of them, who knows?

[Olympian904]

He has dropped hints that he will fight Hatton over in England...As for Cotto sure he has a chance...but its slim.He was being hyped on his knockout power,and when I watched his last 2 fights I saw none of that.He throws body punches but they had little effect on malignaggi and urkal...so i see no reason why there would be a different outcome against mayweathers defense.
Mosley might have the best chance of them all...but he struggles against skilled boxers(not brawlers and boxer punchers).Mayweather gave mosley 3 chances to make a fight happen...now mosley has to chase mayweather.I see a mayweather fight being almost as lopsided as the mosley vs winky.
In order to beat mayweather...you have to catch him with straight hard shots and do some damage...otherwise its nearly impossible to outpoint him in the judges eyes.

[Hairdoo]

If he has to run away, he should stay in the lighter weight class. I don't want to pay to watch running is all I am saying. He wore enormous pillows on his hands vs Zab and it was snooze fest. Gatti is past his prime and has been beaten by every big name opponent. Did you catch what Oscar did to him when he was in his prime? I will say this on any message board that will allow me to put it on there where is the main board? This is what I want everyone to know.

Oscar must win by KO if it comes to a decision he will get robbed!!


I call it Oscar by KO in 6 rounds.

Unless it is a complete mismatch, which I believe could be possible, I think you are right. I don't think Oscar will let it get to a decision if at all possible.

As far as Mayweather goes, he's quick...yes, has decent defense...yes, but is frail and has never been tested against bigger, stronger men. He doesn't like to get hit, and in this one he will be hit. I am amazed everytime a fighter like this starts getting all of the hype and people refuse to look at him rationally. I think this could be the best setup since Trinidad-Hopkins. Of course, he may be able to surprise us all, but based on what I've seen of him over his career, he hasn't shown it yet. Not against someone like ODLH. He and his fans want respect, well this is his chance to finally show us all what he can do, if he can.

Zab,Gatto,Baldo all were bigger than Floyd so what?You said that his defense is decent....the guy probably has the best defense it boxing.And yes he doesnt like to get hit...but who does?Its all about hitting and not being hit...not slugging and wrestling.Floyd has never taken a lot of punches...even in the amatuers...so all of a sudden Oscar is gonna be able to just pound Floyd?Keep hoping for it.

Exactly what I'm talking about. ALL HYPE! NO FACTS!

Floyd is 5'8" with 72" reach.

Baldomir 5'7" with 67" reach, and incidently, 35 years old with no power at all.

Gatti 5'7.5" with 70" reach.

Judah 5'7" with 72" reach.

Even moving up in weight, not one of these guys had a marked physical advantage on him, in fact, just the opposite.

Here is Mayweather, a smallish, frailish lightweight, moving up in weight and finding older, smaller, medicore fighters to match up with. That's not proving anything to me.

Hey, if he can live up to the hype and show the incredible moves and skill everyone wants to credit him with, I'll be the first to acknowlegde it. But he hasn't faced anyone in his career, yet, that makes be believe he's ready for this one.

my sentiments exactly

Floyd is 5'8" with 72" reach.

Baldomir 5'7" with 67" reach.

Gatti 5'7.5" with 70" reach.

Judah 5'7" with 72" reach.

Oscar 5'10.5" with 73" reach. still has fast hands/good timing/granite chin and knows how to dig deep. stamina?

What Floyd did to Baldomir, Gatti and Judah someone had already done a better job of it before him?

[Addicted to_boxing]

MannyP...Floyd is just to advanced for these average welters that everyone "hopes" can beat Floyd.Who is he suppose to fight?He offered to fight Mosley on 3 seperate occasions.I dont see how its hyped...considering his 121-6 lifetime record.

What is your source for "He offered to fight Mosley on 3 seperate occasions" ? You read it somewhere ?

[supergenius]

He can't be #1 P4P without basis. What madness are you talking about?

[Olympian904]

MannyP...Floyd is just to advanced for these average welters that everyone "hopes" can beat Floyd.Who is he suppose to fight?He offered to fight Mosley on 3 seperate occasions.I dont see how its hyped...considering his 121-6 lifetime record.

What is your source for "He offered to fight Mosley on 3 seperate occasions" ? You read it somewhere ?

You obviously havent been paying attention....
"I'm not looking for a fight right now...I'm going to see whats what".A great quote by your beloved Mosley.

[LegendBoxing65]

Manny P. you get a cool click from me, That was great how you put up heights and reach to show how Mayweather fought guys who were not exactly superior in height and reach. I have been watching some Mayweather fights on youtube and he is open to the jab.. What are the stats on common opponents?

[MannyP]

Manny P. you get a cool click from me, That was great how you put up heights and reach to show how Mayweather fought guys who were not exactly superior in height and reach. I have been watching some Mayweather fights on youtube and he is open to the jab.. What are the stats on common opponents?

Hey, thanks for the cc. As far as common opponents, there is only one that I'm aware of, Arturo Gatti.

The roughly four year difference in starting their pro careers created enough separation so that there were no common opponents, as far as I know anyway, on their treks through the Super Featherweight and Lightweight ranks.

Also, by the time Floyd was starting his pro career, Oscar had already made the move to welterweight.

As far as Gatti goes, I have seen both fights, and I have to say that I really don't know what kind of indicator they are. Both fighters dominated him, although in different ways. Floyd did it with pure overwhelming speed, Oscar did it with power. Also, the four years between these bouts, in my opinion, were very rough on Gatti. It's hard to say if the skills he brought with him into those bouts were truly comparable. Probably less significant, but still worth mentioning, is the fact that he fought Floyd at 140, and Oscar at 147.

One thing that I found interesting, and this is only based on my own impression of those fights, is that while Oscar was beating the tar out of him, he took it and kept fighting back. He never seemed intimidated by Oscar at all.

Against Floyd, on the other hand, Gatti seemed thoroughly intimidated. It wasn't only that he seemed incapable of effectively fighting back, which was true, but he also seemed completely demoralized and almost uninterested in doing so.

I always had a very strange impression of Gatti that night. The so-called fight till you drop warrior. Mayweather seemed to take his greatest weapon away from him that night, his heart. Maybe that is only my impression, but that's how it struck me.

Maybe what this match up boils down to for me more than anything else is the fact that Mayweather, while having great skills, has stuck mainly to the b list of opponents during his career. With the exception of Castillo, I don't believe Mayweather has every fought anyone I would describe as "world class," and that includes Corrales, a good fighter, but not an elite De La Hoya class fighter.

When De La Hoya was coming up, he fought them all. Granted, some of them were well on the way down at the time, but he did what he could to put some great names on his resume. Julio Cesar Chavez, Pernell Whitaker, Hector Camacho, just to name a few. Who has Mayweather ever fought that brings with him the credentials of any one of these fighters? Arguably, just one.

Look down the list of De La Hoya opponents a little further, even after moving up in weight, this man has took on the best, and while maybe not beating them all, was certainly competitive against every one of them. Even against Hopkins, in terms of skill anyway, until that body shot ended it.

As for Mayweather, zilch! He fought for years in the same divisions with the likes of Casamayor and Freitas, but did he ever manage to fight the best around? Nope.

Well, now he's moving up to the majors. He is finally putting it on the line against someone who can really put his skills to the test.

Mayweather may have it in him to do it, but I tend to doubt it.