Quote Originally Posted by Sovereign
I hear what your saying bro, loud and clear, I'm a big Haye fan but his faults are there for all to see. His chin isn't great, his hands are too low, he's too cocky, but I still think he's the real deal. He will get beaten again, no doubt about it, but I think he's also got it in him to beat some big names. I'd pick him over Shannon Briggs tomorrow. Thats just david haye. He's a risk taker, sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't. Is there any other heavyweight/cruiserweight prospect who's shown the same willingness to take hard fights early on in his career as David Haye? I don't think so.

To be fair I think a lot of those questions that you put up where answered in the last fight. I don't know where Fragomeni came from but he looked tough and made it competetive. He was fighting on the back foot at times as Fragomeni stalked him, he didn't have things all his own way. Haye had to dig deep, hold his nerve and show a lot of discipline to get through it like he did. He was facing a man who wasn't going to roll over as soon as he got hit by a hayemaker, and Haye had to grit it out and showed a lot of heart to me. And discipline. Thats the exact sort of discipline that he didn't have when he got beat by Carl Thompson, and I think losing back then helped him focus on the weak aspects of his game rather than just the power-punching side of it. If he keeps improving I think that he could make noise at Heavyweight. There's no-one else out there as exciting as him, I tell you that much. Apart from Povetkin.

That Fragomeni guy was undefeated, had already beaten Haye in the ams, seemed as tough as old boots and came to win, so I'm not to worried bout the fact he gave Haye early trouble. I'm looking forward to the Bonin fight coz I want to see how he deals with a proper heavyweight. If he can dispatch Bonin then he can take out Mormeck i reckon. cc mate


The fight on Tv was way different from the one i saw in the hall , Haye at times looked like he was sagging and i remember thinking ,shit not good not good .

Granted the Italian was tough and busy and wasn't going to lie down but at times he just seemed to outman Haye and i was standing there thinking shit what if he's in with an O'Neil Bell or Cunningham guys who can counter him or a Mormeck who can manhandle him .

these fighters will have him making mistakes at times , how will David respond when met with real crisis ?

He's exciting , but British Boxing history is full of fighters who could do the Business at European Level and couldnt grow into world class fighters .

Brit fighters who get bandged out dont get world class sparring and find it hard to come again id hate to see that Happen to Haye cos he has alot of attention and has alot of Charisma , just dont wanna see him rushed .

Give him another year