Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!

[El Gamo]

I agree with Sweetpea,JMM was beating the heck out of MAB in the round he was dropped,I was thinking how to score it whilst watching it too because in no way shape or form was that a 10-8 round for MAB.He hurt MAB once or twice and had him reeling to the ropes from the power of his shots. And NO WAY was MAB winning the first 6 rounds easily. No way,to give him the benfit of the doubt for all 6 of the first rounds,which were nearly alllllll close,look at the punch stats first and second I think JMM's power shots,which he far far outlanded MAB had more of an effect than MAB's jabs. JMM's combinations were simply awesome.

[Galaxy]

The fight was great! The scoring was terrible & a discredit to Barrera who gave his all. Marquez won clearly though & Barrera should have shown good sportsmanship & accepted his loss like the warrior he is instead of crying of robbery.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Everytime I see JimBoogie, I hear that JungleBoogie track in my head (pulp fiction or the other one).



As you were.

Oh really?

Every time i see you name i think of a cute face, chubby waist, thick legs - in shape, rump shakin both wayz, make u do a double take

What the hey is Jungle Boogie anyway? Im sure someones mentioned this B4

Missy with your OK......
Allow me, Jungle Boogie is a song sang by one of the 'Pimpiest, most pimp' bands of all time Kool & The Gang....
Here it is for your viewing pleasure....

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shake it around.


a point either way people would have been happy.

[CutMeMick]

Please, Folks: Let this thread come to an end. All opinions are welcome, but what's done is done. After watching the fight a second time, I surely can't take anything away from Marquez. He pushed throughout many of the rounds - it seems that had a drastic affect on the judges' scoring. Although I still have deep-seated dislike for their ultimate scores, I would be remissed as a fight fan that I now think the fight could have gone either way. I think the best outcome would have been a draw, or one fighter conceivably losing by a 115-114 in the final tally.
CC to all for passionately advocating their respective cases without resorting to acting childish - Hell, I'm often guilty of falling predator to a nonsensical rant every now then. But it's all done in good fun, although some of us go over the 'line' sometimes...but it's all good folks.
Really good fight and the possibility of a rematch. M.A.B. has been in so many wars and given the boxing community some of the best boxing experiences of our respective lifetimes.
To be honest, I was expecting the M.A.B. that totally schooled and outclassed Rocky Juarez in their rematch. Unfortunately, that M.A.B. didn't have the same game last Saturday. You got to give the man Holyfield status credit, you can knock the man down, but he's sure to conjure the courage and intestinal fortitude to temporarily turn the clocks back for a moment. Sounds odd that I'm commenting on a 33 year-old; cats only got a 1 year on me. But M.A.B. has the Holyfield/Cotoure unwavering spirit of competition.
In the end, win, lose or draw, that's what the most memorable part is all about. Hats off to them all.

CC#372
Well said Steve-O
We all have our opinions as for the thread dying out I got a feeling this one will be around for a while....

[Gandalf]

I agree with Sweetpea,JMM was beating the heck out of MAB in the round he was dropped,I was thinking how to score it whilst watching it too because in no way shape or form was that a 10-8 round for MAB.He hurt MAB once or twice and had him reeling to the ropes from the power of his shots. And NO WAY was MAB winning the first 6 rounds easily. No way,to give him the benfit of the doubt for all 6 of the first rounds,which were nearly alllllll close,look at the punch stats first and second I think JMM's power shots,which he far far outlanded MAB had more of an effect than MAB's jabs. JMM's combinations were simply awesome.

But Marquez landed most of those extra power shots in the 7th and 10th rounds. Rounds which he won clearly so no disputes there. The final punch stats are misleading. Boxing is judged on a round by round basis, so its irrelevant if Marquez wins a round by landing 4 extra power shots or instead an extra 20 thrown in for good measure. The punch stats tell a different story as to how the fight played out and should indeed be judged.

Mick is probably right, this thread is going to keep creeping up!

[The Shadow]

Please, Folks: Let this thread come to an end. All opinions are welcome, but what's done is done. After watching the fight a second time, I surely can't take anything away from Marquez. He pushed throughout many of the rounds - it seems that had a drastic affect on the judges' scoring. Although I still have deep-seated dislike for their ultimate scores, I would be remissed as a fight fan that I now think the fight could have gone either way. I think the best outcome would have been a draw, or one fighter conceivably losing by a 115-114 in the final tally.
CC to all for passionately advocating their respective cases without resorting to acting childish - Hell, I'm often guilty of falling predator to a nonsensical rant every now then. But it's all done in good fun, although some of us go over the 'line' sometimes...but it's all good folks.
Really good fight and the possibility of a rematch. M.A.B. has been in so many wars and given the boxing community some of the best boxing experiences of our respective lifetimes.
To be honest, I was expecting the M.A.B. that totally schooled and outclassed Rocky Juarez in their rematch. Unfortunately, that M.A.B. didn't have the same game last Saturday. You got to give the man Holyfield status credit, you can knock the man down, but he's sure to conjure the courage and intestinal fortitude to temporarily turn the clocks back for a moment. Sounds odd that I'm commenting on a 33 year-old; cats only got a 1 year on me. But M.A.B. has the Holyfield/Cotoure unwavering spirit of competition.
In the end, win, lose or draw, that's what the most memorable part is all about. Hats off to them all.

CC#372
Well said Steve-O
We all have our opinions as for the thread dying out I got a feeling this one will be around for a while....

CC Back, Mick. In such a close fight, advocates can argue for many of the rounds as they were so close. Good fight, though. If Barerra retires or a rematch isn't made, I hope that Pacquaio and friends were taking notes - Marquez is anything but a fluke fighter.

[El Gamo]

I agree with Sweetpea,JMM was beating the heck out of MAB in the round he was dropped,I was thinking how to score it whilst watching it too because in no way shape or form was that a 10-8 round for MAB.He hurt MAB once or twice and had him reeling to the ropes from the power of his shots. And NO WAY was MAB winning the first 6 rounds easily. No way,to give him the benfit of the doubt for all 6 of the first rounds,which were nearly alllllll close,look at the punch stats first and second I think JMM's power shots,which he far far outlanded MAB had more of an effect than MAB's jabs. JMM's combinations were simply awesome.

But Marquez landed most of those extra power shots in the 7th and 10th rounds. Rounds which he won clearly so no disputes there. The final punch stats are misleading. Boxing is judged on a round by round basis, so its irrelevant if Marquez wins a round by landing 4 extra power shots or instead an extra 20 thrown in for good measure. The punch stats tell a different story as to how the fight played out and should indeed be judged.

Mick is probably right, this thread is going to keep creeping up!

How many more power shots did JMM land than MAB? Wasn't it like 70 plus more? Although he landed quite a few in the rounds you mentioned,,he was taking more control towards the end of the fight. JMM was the effective aggressor.JMM dictated the action,and JMM's combinations and power punching were more effective than MAB's.

Amd the same couild be said of MAB's jab,he landed it alot at the beginning,not towards the end. I just feel AMb did not know what to do. He wanted to war at first but I think he realised Marquez would not be beaten that way so he tried to box,then Marquez cut off the ring and started launching awesome combinations. The left hook right hand combo was doing MAB all night.

[happytrip]

I'll preface what I have to say with this: Both Barrera and Marquez are at the top of the food-chain in the 130lb. division. It doesn't get any better with the guts and glory such as this. I sat on the couch over my friend's house and almost fell asleep with the lackluster (to put it mildly) under-card these jackasses had the audacity to put together for a PPV event.
I knew something was awry when Hopkins won by a lopsided decision against a very game Forbes. To top it off, officials at the Nevada State Athletic Commission were haplessly perusing the crack dens of Vegas to find 'judges' that would score the main event.
Hats off to both Barrera and Marquez for a thrilling bout on such a woefully dreadful card. Shame on the sport of sports for continually living up to its corrupt reputation, and in this case, exceeding its tar and feather image by putting incompetent, and possibly over-drugged, delusional simps at ringside to score the bout.
I would have even been satisfied with a draw or a 1 point discrepancy going either way to each fighter. Although I thought Barrera clearly won the fight, I could have swallowed a split decision going to Marquez.
Fact of the matter is this: Boxing has become a joke. With such grave injustices as decisions and scores such as this, we can only hope that fighters risk more, take additional chances and ultimately take any decisive factors away from 'judges' by going for broke, throwing caution to the wind, and fighting purely for the KO.
I'm sickened by such scandalous ineptitude and flagrant corruption, and my stomach is soured by what has happened tonight.
Manny, in his post-fight closing remarks, summarized this disgrace without pulling any punches. Lampley, the consummate diplomat and spinmeister that he is, attempted to reason the merits of such an unreasonable decision.
Champions like Barrera are made inside of the ring; champions like Barrera are rare commodities to the sport. It's disgusting and disgraceful to see one such man that has given so much to the sport and to his adoring fans be shafted in such a blatantly and outlandish way. The sport of boxing loves its heroes, but it's a disgusting testament to the wicked side of human nature when we so callously tear them down...Pathetic is a term that comes to mind. But that would be a gross understatement.

Exactly!

Nice one..