***Manfredo has a 30/70 shot!***

[diamonddavestafford]

All I'm basicly trying to say is... Peter MAY have a beter shot then some of you think. I agree Joe is the overall better fighter and owns the weight class but stranger things have happened... Joe better not take this kid from Silver Lake, RI lightly or he could be in for a good old-fashioned Rhode Island a** Kicking...

I dont think Manfredo has a chance on his best day and on Joe's worst. These two are just not in the same league. He will look similar to Bravo when he fought Berto recently and got flat out worked. The only old fashioned Rhode Island a** kicking is gonna be the one Joe C. puts on the Rhode Island Reality Show Runner Up...or maybe the one Peter Griffin put on that damn chicken that keeps showing up on Family Guy. To quote my room mate, Manfredo has lost to Sergio Mora twice. Sergio Mora is trash. Now they are putting him in the ring with an actual seasoned accomplished legitimate champion who has not lost in what, 10 years about? That's cool you got Boston/Rhode Island pride, but I think that is what is speaking here...and it is drowning out your common sense. There will be no upset or hope of a victory for Manfredo on April 7. He will be a stepping stone and an easy win aimed to pad Joe's record and get him one step closer to breaking Hopkins' record of title defenses.

I can't let my Boston brother carry the torch for Peter alone. I'm not giving Pete a 30% chance. I'm not sure I'm giving him a 10% chance...no I'm giving him a 10% chance. His chance is that Joe breaks a hand or two Seriously.

You bring up the Mora fight...I just don't give that much weight. In the first fight, you had a weight drained 12 round fighter against an awkward and fast Mora. Peter never got hurt, he just got outworked. The second fight was pure home-cookin' for Mora. I've watch that fight TRYING to give rounds to Mora, and he gets a maximum of 3. On my card he got one or two.

Why would you think he will get blowin out like Bravo against Berto? Manfredo has never been down. He rarely gets hurt. He has defensive skills and he can counterpunch. He's much stronger now than he ever has been. The kid is a fighter. Although he doesn't have the power or strength of Lacy, he has 10x the skills of Lacy. Lacy came out and tried to take Joe's head off. That was his plan A,B, and C. He played right into Joe's strenghts and still, Joe didn't stop him.

Peter is going the distance. Joe will likely cruise to a 12round UD. The fight will be entertaining. Manfredo will make some adjustments at some point and land a few nice flurries. He may even steal two rounds and make 2 more kinda close. If Joe breaks his left hand, things could go differently, but I can just don't see Peter getting stopped.

Yeah u definitely are right about the second Mora fight. Manfredo got robbed. It doesnt change the fact that they are second rate fighters compared to A level guys like Calzaghe, Hopkins, Taylor, etc. He may not get stopped he may just get punished for 12 brutal rounds like Lacy did. Truthfully I think J.C. could have closed the show on Lacy if he had wanted to. I think he wanted to make it a brutal punishing clinic and prolonged it intentionally. And I dont think Manfredo has 10 times the boxing skill of Lacy. Calzaghe made Lacy look like a clown; that does not mean he is. Lacy was a good fighter. He was just thrown in with one that was that much better. I think it will look similar to the Lacy fight except Manfredo I doubt is bold enough to keep coming forward like Jeff did. I still say he gets punished for 12 or KOed, depending on what Joe Calzaghe feels like doing to him. Unless of course like you say, Joe breaks his hands. Both of them.

[TyBuff]

I dont think Joe could put Lacy away, I feel if he could he would have. Since he didnt it raises the question about his power. It is hard to argue that he could when he hit Lacy somewhere around a thousand times in 12 rounds, you cant tell me that at least one of those shots was some type of power shot intent on putting Lacy down. Especially with Joe's brittle hands, dont think he would intentially want to keep hitting anything.

[Kev]

I agree that Manfredo is in well over his head and on the surface has no chance whatsoever.

HOWEVER, I know that Miles is backing Calzaghe to destroy Manfredo and in case you didn't know Miles is the worst tipster of all time!

Honestly, you would rather have Barry McGuigan backing you than Miles, he has never got a correct pick.

You could clearly see the 'Miles' effect during the Barrera Marquez fight. Barrera, Mile's pick fought a great fight but 'Miles Law' meant he could not win, hence terrible judges decision, no knockdown rulings and deducted points for Barrera.

Logically Calzaghe has to win, it's a virtual mathematical certainty, but Miles tipping him to destroy Manfredo is I fear too big a hurdle even for Calzaghe to overcome.

I knew you would be at it!!!

Barrera won that fight, but no matter how much I howl into the abyss the divine powers always go against me!! Calzaghe will beat Manfredo silly!!!



































If he doessnt then im gonna take up croquet!!!

Don't worry buddy you are helping me. I just bet on the guy whovever he is that you think will lose and then draw my winnings from William Hill the next day.

[thewhale]

Odds from Ladbrokes: Calzaghe to win 1.02 draw is 35 and Manfredo 11

I hope Calzaghe takes Manfredo out in the first round and realize that this kind of "fight" is a waste of time, so many good names around and they pick Manfredo

[orion2076]

Thats what joe has done most of his career. joe is tha man. everyone wants to fight him. yet his team handpicks opponents. no use being 50 - 0 if 99% of your opponents dont deserve a shot. happens in australia with the IBF all tha time.

[RozzySean]

All I'm basicly trying to say is... Peter MAY have a beter shot then some of you think. I agree Joe is the overall better fighter and owns the weight class but stranger things have happened... Joe better not take this kid from Silver Lake, RI lightly or he could be in for a good old-fashioned Rhode Island a** Kicking...

I dont think Manfredo has a chance on his best day and on Joe's worst. These two are just not in the same league. He will look similar to Bravo when he fought Berto recently and got flat out worked. The only old fashioned Rhode Island a** kicking is gonna be the one Joe C. puts on the Rhode Island Reality Show Runner Up...or maybe the one Peter Griffin put on that damn chicken that keeps showing up on Family Guy. To quote my room mate, Manfredo has lost to Sergio Mora twice. Sergio Mora is trash. Now they are putting him in the ring with an actual seasoned accomplished legitimate champion who has not lost in what, 10 years about? That's cool you got Boston/Rhode Island pride, but I think that is what is speaking here...and it is drowning out your common sense. There will be no upset or hope of a victory for Manfredo on April 7. He will be a stepping stone and an easy win aimed to pad Joe's record and get him one step closer to breaking Hopkins' record of title defenses.

I can't let my Boston brother carry the torch for Peter alone. I'm not giving Pete a 30% chance. I'm not sure I'm giving him a 10% chance...no I'm giving him a 10% chance. His chance is that Joe breaks a hand or two Seriously.

You bring up the Mora fight...I just don't give that much weight. In the first fight, you had a weight drained 12 round fighter against an awkward and fast Mora. Peter never got hurt, he just got outworked. The second fight was pure home-cookin' for Mora. I've watch that fight TRYING to give rounds to Mora, and he gets a maximum of 3. On my card he got one or two.

Why would you think he will get blowin out like Bravo against Berto? Manfredo has never been down. He rarely gets hurt. He has defensive skills and he can counterpunch. He's much stronger now than he ever has been. The kid is a fighter. Although he doesn't have the power or strength of Lacy, he has 10x the skills of Lacy. Lacy came out and tried to take Joe's head off. That was his plan A,B, and C. He played right into Joe's strenghts and still, Joe didn't stop him.

Peter is going the distance. Joe will likely cruise to a 12round UD. The fight will be entertaining. Manfredo will make some adjustments at some point and land a few nice flurries. He may even steal two rounds and make 2 more kinda close. If Joe breaks his left hand, things could go differently, but I can just don't see Peter getting stopped.

Yeah u definitely are right about the second Mora fight. Manfredo got robbed. It doesnt change the fact that they are second rate fighters compared to A level guys like Calzaghe, Hopkins, Taylor, etc. He may not get stopped he may just get punished for 12 brutal rounds like Lacy did. Truthfully I think J.C. could have closed the show on Lacy if he had wanted to. I think he wanted to make it a brutal punishing clinic and prolonged it intentionally. And I dont think Manfredo has 10 times the boxing skill of Lacy. Calzaghe made Lacy look like a clown; that does not mean he is. Lacy was a good fighter. He was just thrown in with one that was that much better. I think it will look similar to the Lacy fight except Manfredo I doubt is bold enough to keep coming forward like Jeff did. I still say he gets punished for 12 or KOed, depending on what Joe Calzaghe feels like doing to him. Unless of course like you say, Joe breaks his hands. Both of them.

Lacy has ZERO defense, no jab, and no strategy other than to come forward. Calzaghe made him look like a clown because the can move and throw great combo's. Lacy is a one trick pony. It was good trick and it took him a long way against inferior fighters, but against a complete fighter like Calzaghe, he looked like a fool. Manfredo is a more complete fighter than Lacy. He won't look as bad as Lacy did, because he won't keep blindly coming forward and walking into combinations.

If Joe could have KO'd Lacy, he would have done it. If he can KO Peter, he will. I'm just not sure he has the power to KO a beast like Lacy or a guy like Manfredo who is both tough and cute. We'll see what happens soon.

[Brockton Bomber]

I dont think Joe could put Lacy away, I feel if he could he would have. Since he didnt it raises the question about his power. It is hard to argue that he could when he hit Lacy somewhere around a thousand times in 12 rounds, you cant tell me that at least one of those shots was some type of power shot intent on putting Lacy down. Especially with Joe's brittle hands, dont think he would intentially want to keep hitting anything.

cc for you. All solid points.

[Violent Demise]

I'm a ride Manfredo all the way in this fight. He's the lesser of two evils. This is pretty much a win-win situation for me. Best case scenario is Manfredo knocks Calzaghe out. That right there would kill 2 birds with one stone. It'll be the end of Calzaghe. And it'll set up Manfredo for a beat down at the hands of Kessler. If it doesn't work out that way. And Calzaghe has a easy night? Well it was only Manfredo he destroyed. No big deal. Calzaghe gets no credit for the win. And I get to see Manfredo gets his ass kick. Like I said. Win. Win.

[The Shadow]

I think it will come down to the fact that Peter is nowhere near as good as Calzaghe is and he's fought absolutely noone to even test the waters at SMW. Pemberton and Spina may as well have been super heavy's it doesn't make a difference when they suck and can't land anything. Peter doesn't have a chance and Calzaghe deserves all the criticism he's gotten for taking this fight.

Well said. It's akin to throwing a lamb to a wolf. Dundee put it in similar terms a while back on FNF. Manfredo gets a decent pay-day, but at what cost?

[Lords Gym]

I dont think Joe could put Lacy away, I feel if he could he would have. Since he didnt it raises the question about his power. It is hard to argue that he could when he hit Lacy somewhere around a thousand times in 12 rounds, you cant tell me that at least one of those shots was some type of power shot intent on putting Lacy down. Especially with Joe's brittle hands, dont think he would intentially want to keep hitting anything.

Lacy his so mentally tuff . . Lacy was hurt bad early in the match, and never recovered, he went on auto pilot , that was because of Joe's power and accurate punching . I am not sure Lacy will ever be the same fighter he was before the Calzaghe fight, truth be told. it was one of those bruising fights that takes something out of you, that you never get back .

[The Shadow]

I dont think Joe could put Lacy away, I feel if he could he would have. Since he didnt it raises the question about his power. It is hard to argue that he could when he hit Lacy somewhere around a thousand times in 12 rounds, you cant tell me that at least one of those shots was some type of power shot intent on putting Lacy down. Especially with Joe's brittle hands, dont think he would intentially want to keep hitting anything.

Lacy his so mentally tuff . . Lacy was hurt bad early in the match, and never recovered, he went on auto pilot , that was because of Joe's power and accurate punching . I am not sure Lacy will ever be the same fighter he was before the Calzaghe fight, truth be told. it was one of those bruising fights that takes something out of you, that you never get back .

You may have a point here. But Lacy is recovering from a torn rotator cuff in his last bout. He's still young, and you could look at it in a variety of ways: perhaps it was a great learning experience...although a bit of a brutal learning curve. Time will tell.

[Lords Gym]

I dont think Joe could put Lacy away, I feel if he could he would have. Since he didnt it raises the question about his power. It is hard to argue that he could when he hit Lacy somewhere around a thousand times in 12 rounds, you cant tell me that at least one of those shots was some type of power shot intent on putting Lacy down. Especially with Joe's brittle hands, dont think he would intentially want to keep hitting anything.

Lacy his so mentally tuff . . Lacy was hurt bad early in the match, and never recovered, he went on auto pilot , that was because of Joe's power and accurate punching . I am not sure Lacy will ever be the same fighter he was before the Calzaghe fight, truth be told. it was one of those bruising fights that takes something out of you, that you never get back .

You may have a point here. But Lacy is recovering from a torn rotator cuff in his last bout. He's still young, and you could look at it in a variety of ways: perhaps it was a great learning experience...although a bit of a brutal learning curve. Time will tell.

The thing that bothers me is he got hurt real bad early in the match.. and was like a sponge soaking up a 12 round beating from that point on. , A good point about that rotator cuff injury he sustained in his last match.. that is about as bad as any injury. for a prize fighter, the inactivity due to the long rehab and all.
a shame all that. Lacy is good people.

[SOB]

I can't sit here and say that Peter is gonna walk in there and look great... Joe makes many fighters look for answers thoughout fights with his hand speed and angles. Sometimes he fights down to his opposition. (Bika, who in my mind is very limited but fought a good fight) Joe made Lacy look like Clubber Lang in Rocky's second meeting with him. Joe is getting older. Peter is 26.

Peter has finally found his weight that he feels comfortable at and has grown into it well.(I know he has fought lack luster opposition thus far @ SMW but he looks incredebly strong and light on his feet) He nolonger needs to drain his energy @ Jr. MW. I can honestly see an upset happening. Of course it is truly hard to call only seeing Manfredo in 6 rounds as a SMW(3 in each fight). He has been in deep water a bunch of times in hes career and fought well(granted not against a guy who refuses not to let off the gas like Joe).

This fight will come down to one thing IMO... That Peter can keep up with Joe's work rate. Peter has shortened his punches and his hand speed is good. He has always been an acurate puncher. It will come down to how much peter has in the tank and how good Fortune's conditioning in camp really was.

Tell me this fella did not just call me an idiot on another topic.

[Phil]

I can't sit here and say that Peter is gonna walk in there and look great... Joe makes many fighters look for answers thoughout fights with his hand speed and angles. Sometimes he fights down to his opposition. (Bika, who in my mind is very limited but fought a good fight) Joe made Lacy look like Clubber Lang in Rocky's second meeting with him. Joe is getting older. Peter is 26.

Peter has finally found his weight that he feels comfortable at and has grown into it well.(I know he has fought lack luster opposition thus far @ SMW but he looks incredebly strong and light on his feet) He nolonger needs to drain his energy @ Jr. MW. I can honestly see an upset happening. Of course it is truly hard to call only seeing Manfredo in 6 rounds as a SMW(3 in each fight). He has been in deep water a bunch of times in hes career and fought well(granted not against a guy who refuses not to let off the gas like Joe).

This fight will come down to one thing IMO... That Peter can keep up with Joe's work rate. Peter has shortened his punches and his hand speed is good. He has always been an acurate puncher. It will come down to how much peter has in the tank and how good Fortune's conditioning in camp really was.

Tell me this fella did not just call me an idiot on another topic.

so u had to dig back through his posts to march 07 to try get back at him...
pretty sad dude...

[skel1983]

I can't sit here and say that Peter is gonna walk in there and look great... Joe makes many fighters look for answers thoughout fights with his hand speed and angles. Sometimes he fights down to his opposition. (Bika, who in my mind is very limited but fought a good fight) Joe made Lacy look like Clubber Lang in Rocky's second meeting with him. Joe is getting older. Peter is 26.

Peter has finally found his weight that he feels comfortable at and has grown into it well.(I know he has fought lack luster opposition thus far @ SMW but he looks incredebly strong and light on his feet) He nolonger needs to drain his energy @ Jr. MW. I can honestly see an upset happening. Of course it is truly hard to call only seeing Manfredo in 6 rounds as a SMW(3 in each fight). He has been in deep water a bunch of times in hes career and fought well(granted not against a guy who refuses not to let off the gas like Joe).

This fight will come down to one thing IMO... That Peter can keep up with Joe's work rate. Peter has shortened his punches and his hand speed is good. He has always been an acurate puncher. It will come down to how much peter has in the tank and how good Fortune's conditioning in camp really was.

Tell me this fella did not just call me an idiot on another topic.

Sad sad person.