Am starting to get so angry about this sh*t!

[Mad_Dog]

I spoke to the general European reaction to elements atacking their countries and cultures. You all want to self-analyze your own faults, you all want to negotiate, you all assume that your enemy thinks like you.
you are awash in tolerance but none comes your way.

the end result is likely national humiliation, and the Iranians will crow as to how they beat up the British Lion.

I hope not but you all have forgotten how to stand up for yourselves. Unless of course it is America. For that you march and protest, burn American flags.
but when it comes to standing up to a real threat to you...well you are seeing the reactions. I said it before, you have forgotten how to be men.

[Mad_Dog]

am I the only brilliant one on this forum?

Missy thinks so. She told me.

[porkypara]

I spoke to the general European reaction to elements atacking their countries and cultures. You all want to self-analyze your own faults, you all want to negotiate, you all assume that your enemy thinks like you.
you are awash in tolerance but none comes your way.

the end result is likely national humiliation, and the Iranians will crow as to how they beat up the British Lion.

I hope not but you all have forgotten how to stand up for yourselves. Unless of course it is America. For that you march and protest, burn American flags.
but when it comes to standing up to a real threat to you...well you are seeing the reactions. I said it before, you have forgotten how to be men.

If getting your own people killed in pointless military action is how to be a man then I am glad we have forgoten how to be men.

America showed us how to be real men in Vietnam and Somalia.

[Mad_Dog]

WHy not add Iraq, or WWII?

porky stop being so politically correct. Your nation does nothing wrong then Iran captures brit soldiers then asks you to apologize and make concessions?

if that is ok with you, then tell me where you live. I will go to your house, feel up your sister, take your laptop and then you have to apologize to me...deal?

[porkypara]

WHy not add Iraq, or WWII?

porky stop being so politically correct. Your nation does nothing wrong then Iran captures brit soldiers then asks you to apologize and make concessions?

if that is ok with you, then tell me where you live. I will go to your house, feel up your sister, take your laptop and then you have to apologize to me...deal?

If I thought military action would do any good then I would be all for it.

As I have served in the British Paras I think I have a good idea of how military oppartions work.I dont think you have the faintest idea and you have watched to many hollywood films.

The reason I did not add IraqI and WWII is coz I think that they were missions/wars that were just and also well planned and thought out.

As for apologising and making concessions I dont think you have been watching the news with much detal coz the uk government are refusing to say they were in Iran's waters.



P.S. does "arms for hostages" ring any bells in your head or how about "Oliver North".If not look it up on the net and you will see how the US government trys to get its hostages back.LOL

[Lords Gym]

I don't like Iran parading the UK soldiers around on TV . I would tell the united nations ( which is a fukin crock ) too kiss me arse. and would go on the offensive immediately , There is no easy answers, so why spend a fucking year wasting time. ones got to do what ones got to do.. Diplomacy don‘t work against Terrorist.! Iran is a threat to the future of the world. Time is the enemy ,, very simple to see this. When you got the bigger dick , you use the mutherfucker ! simple mathmatics . that’s all. !

[porkypara]

I don't like Iran parading the UK soldiers around on TV . I would tell the united nations ( which is a fukin crock ) too kiss me arse. and would go on the offensive immediately , There is no easy answers, so why spend a fucking year wasting time. ones got to do what ones got to do.. Diplomacy don‘t work against Terrorist.! Iran is a threat to the future of the world. Time is the enemy ,, very simple to see this. When you got the bigger dick , you use the mutherfucker ! simple mathmatics . that’s all. !

Like I have already said if going on the offensive would free our soldiers then I am all for it.

But in reality you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Lords Gym]

I don't like Iran parading the UK soldiers around on TV . I would tell the united nations ( which is a fukin crock ) too kiss me arse. and would go on the offensive immediately , There is no easy answers, so why spend a fucking year wasting time. ones got to do what ones got to do.. Diplomacy don‘t work against Terrorist.! Iran is a threat to the future of the world. Time is the enemy ,, very simple to see this. When you got the bigger dick , you use the mutherfucker ! simple mathmatics . that’s all. !

Like I have already said if going on the offensive would free our soldiers then I am all for it.

But in reality you have no idea what you are talking about.

please educate me ! your solution is negotiate with these cunts? would love to hear your idea !

[porkypara]

I don't like Iran parading the UK soldiers around on TV . I would tell the united nations ( which is a fukin crock ) too kiss me arse. and would go on the offensive immediately , There is no easy answers, so why spend a fucking year wasting time. ones got to do what ones got to do.. Diplomacy don‘t work against Terrorist.! Iran is a threat to the future of the world. Time is the enemy ,, very simple to see this. When you got the bigger dick , you use the mutherfucker ! simple mathmatics . that’s all. !

Like I have already said if going on the offensive would free our soldiers then I am all for it.

But in reality you have no idea what you are talking about.

please educate me ! your solution is negotiate with these cunts? would love to hear your idea !

I would be willing to do what ever it takes,but going "on the offensive" as you put it would be the last option.

I dont like the idea of having to sit down and talk to these people any more than you but if negotiating with these cunts save's British or American lives is that a bad thing?


If it came to a war and there was no other option then so be it but that would have to be the last option.
If you want to know the reasons why it has to be the last option just go and look around a military hospital.

[Lords Gym]

I don't like Iran parading the UK soldiers around on TV . I would tell the united nations ( which is a fukin crock ) too kiss me arse. and would go on the offensive immediately , There is no easy answers, so why spend a fucking year wasting time. ones got to do what ones got to do.. Diplomacy don‘t work against Terrorist.! Iran is a threat to the future of the world. Time is the enemy ,, very simple to see this. When you got the bigger dick , you use the mutherfucker ! simple mathmatics . that’s all. !

Like I have already said if going on the offensive would free our soldiers then I am all for it.

But in reality you have no idea what you are talking about.

please educate me ! your solution is negotiate with these cunts? would love to hear your idea !

I would be willing to do what ever it takes,but going "on the offensive" as you put it would be the last option.

I dont like the idea of having to sit down and talk to these people any more than you but if negotiating with these cunts save's British or American lives is that a bad thing?


If it came to a war and there was no other option then so be it but that would have to be the last option.
If you want to know the reasons why it has to be the last option just go and look around a military hospital.

It was an act of war when Iran took the UK troops out of Iraqi waters and now parading them on the camera Don’t mean to come off a cunt about all this.. I usually stay clear from discussing politics as I don’t want to offend people and such.. However I feel strongly about retaliation when it comes to dealing with terrorist types..

# 105 porkpara.. I can appreciate your opinions . War is nasty . but through war comes peace , sometimes it can't be avoided. to prevent war you need two rational sides.. you can't negotiate with terrorist , . they only understand the sword. You go in through the air and disrupt their nuke capabilities, set them back about 10 - 15 years..

[porkypara]

I don't like Iran parading the UK soldiers around on TV . I would tell the united nations ( which is a fukin crock ) too kiss me arse. and would go on the offensive immediately , There is no easy answers, so why spend a fucking year wasting time. ones got to do what ones got to do.. Diplomacy don‘t work against Terrorist.! Iran is a threat to the future of the world. Time is the enemy ,, very simple to see this. When you got the bigger dick , you use the mutherfucker ! simple mathmatics . that’s all. !

Like I have already said if going on the offensive would free our soldiers then I am all for it.

But in reality you have no idea what you are talking about.

please educate me ! your solution is negotiate with these cunts? would love to hear your idea !

I would be willing to do what ever it takes,but going "on the offensive" as you put it would be the last option.

I dont like the idea of having to sit down and talk to these people any more than you but if negotiating with these cunts save's British or American lives is that a bad thing?


If it came to a war and there was no other option then so be it but that would have to be the last option.
If you want to know the reasons why it has to be the last option just go and look around a military hospital.

It was an act of war when Iran took the UK troops out of Iraqi waters and now parading them on the camera Don’t mean to come off a cunt about all this.. I usually stay clear from discussing politics as I don’t want to offend people and such.. However I feel strongly about retaliation when it comes to dealing with terrorist types..

# 105 porkpara.. I can appreciate your opinions . War is nasty . but through war comes peace , sometimes it can't be avoided. to prevent war you need two rational sides.. you can't negotiate with terrorist , . they only understand the sword. You go in through the air and disrupt their nuke capabilities, set them back about 10 - 15 years..

I understand where you are coming from when you say you cant negotiate with terroists but you got to try.
Coz if you dont at least try then people will die,if you try there is a chance of a peacefull solution .

If it came to the crunch air strikes could be used to stop nuclear development,Isrial did it to Iraq in the early 80s.

CC for a good debate.

[Mad_Dog]

again, whether you were military or not is irrelevant to my point. I mean no disrespect. My point is we as the west assumes that these other nations think like us. we blame ourselves for everything. You yourself have been dropping critiques against past American actions without once mentioning what the Iranians have done. You have proven my point. There is no fight left in us for some reason.

Let me take the debate in another direction. If the Iranians try and convict the troops and sentence them to jail, then what?

[bigragu]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/vi...7_1800,00.html

What a forced statetemt. The whole thing REEKS of coersion

Just F****** let em go you cunts. GPS showed they were not in Iranian waters which essentially means capturing them was in fact an ACT OF WAR.

I cant believe the frigate was so far away from the boarded vessel whislt the boarding was going on? They know that these waters boundries have caused confusion in the past. HMS cornwall should have been close by to offer support should anything have gone wrong. I am damned F****** sure the iranians wouldnt have pulled a trick like this had the cornwall been 200 metres away. When i was boarding party in the Navy the ship was never more than 200 metres away.

Also why wasn't the F****** helo offering come form of protection?

I know that these twats will eventually release them and that they are just trying to get some spin for their country but Blair, up the pressure and issue an ultimatum. Capturing them was an act of WAR and make it clear in no uncertain terms that if its trouble they want that you will respond in kind and overhwlemingly.

make their whole F*cking country a big sheet of glass.....it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission...these douchebags(Iran) have been pushing buttons long enough....F*CK THEM!!!

[Swashbuckling Gordy]

again, whether you were military or not is irrelevant to my point. I mean no disrespect. My point is we as the west assumes that these other nations think like us. we blame ourselves for everything. You yourself have been dropping critiques against past American actions without once mentioning what the Iranians have done. You have proven my point. There is no fight left in us for some reason.

Let me take the debate in another direction. If the Iranians try and convict the troops and sentence them to jail, then what?

Good question .


Unfortunately thats not up to us to decide all this sabre rattling is just Irans childlike way of opening dialouge !!

Global brinkmanship call it waht you will but Iran will release these hostages or face some pretty dire consequnces they know that , they've tried it before .

People on both sides will be talking unofficially its alot like Kruschev and Kennedy at the height of the Cuban Missile crisis it escalated to a stupid deegree neither side wanted to go to war ( who would ) and whilst Kenny ANd Kruschev had no official dialouge in the end it was Kruschev who broke 1st .

How ? A known American Actor working for the CIA in Moscow made a toast to world peace after a show to Kruschev , Kruschev made a speech in front of some assembled media it was very much unofficial and off the cuff but was a clear olive branch to Kennedy .

Kruschev was known to hate the Theatre and had not attended the Theatre all year , pretty funny time to want to backstage and met a gay American Jewish actor wouldnt you say ?

BTW what you wrote about Europe about the feminization of Europe and the Uk was absuloutley spot on !!!

But you've also got to Understand that the world is a vastly different place and unfortunately Naughty boys like Iran and North Korea cant be bought into line with harsh words and threatening stances

Iran and Korea know that the chances of America taking the piss and invading are pretty remote so they tease them on the world stage but taking British hostages , Iran knows the UK has niether the resources nor the will for another full on tear up !!

Its a waiting game who blinks 1st the Iranian President will be engineering this in such a way to make him look good and weaken the outside world in the eyes of his own people .

Id say those Sailors chances of being Beheaded or Imprisoned for any length of time are next to naught .

Quick trial full of pomp and humilation followed by a well publicised deportation .

Iran has too much to lose .

[Hacienda]

Hypothetical questions:-

How would we feel about a boat load of foreign army personel floating 0.5 miles from our coast?

Would we act any different if Iran was populated with Christians / Catholics ?

It just seems like sometimes we're the oppressors in all this - also the common people of these countries dont want any trouble, it seems to be a select few in goverment.

Remember bombs cost money - and if i recall, Maggie Thatcher was brokering arms deals to Saddam for him to use on Iran in the first place