Quote Originally Posted by Starr
Quote Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
Lets not forget hitting david Sample while he was down in the corner (I'll wait for you to bring up Roy vs. montel I, as expected before we get into that).
No I won't. I will instead say that many fighters have hit fighters when they are down and that includes PBF and Bernard Hopkins and Bell, but many fighters do it. I don't have to bring Roy Jones into it because I won't single him out for things many boxers do like you are doing to Zab

I still never got the full story on what happened with him and Bustah rhymes.
Nothing happened, otherwise he wouldn't be working with him now. Whatever happened wasn't as big as they made it to be. And I won't bring up Roy Jones and Fat Joe

His tyson-esque behavior was predicted by Roger Mayweather. He hasn't bitten anyone yet (I hear bloods a b*tch to clean out of platinum settings) or put anyone in an armbar... So use that if you wish to add merit to your arguement that hes not a dirty fighter.
All you did was mention David Sample which are things many fighters do and then mention outside stuff and it still doesn't mean he's a dirty fighter since you can only name about 3 fights. and please, if you breakdown every single fight in which a foul has happened and try to pin Zab as the only one to do it then you're really deep into the Haterade

There should be no question about him being a dirty person. His act stinks of desperation, false bravado, unprofessionalism and lack of character.
What act? He hit Floyd low and then hit him in the head. I still do not see it as intentional(the low blow) but I will give you the back of the head shot. I don't think Zab is a dirty fighter, or a dirty person. And nothing you say is going to change that if you've never met the guy.

I used to be one of his biggest fans, but now I have absolutely no respect left for him or Yoel.
I don't see how you can make that broad a statement. No respect for him? I respect your opinion on that. but after alst night to make THAT much of an impression on you, surprises me. It really does.
Dont see how i can make that broad of a statement based on last night? Thats just it. You don't seem to get it. Its not just based last night. Where you would like to take every incident and separate it and treat it as some sort of isolated first offense and start an argument with "its not horrible as...." or end it with "...but lots of people have done it", many people tend to judge a person for what they have done cumulatively. This is represents his whole punk attitude and lifestyle. To be honest, I would like to say i saw it coming prior to last night, but i never actually thought he would resort to something like that when he was losing. All the other things hes done seem to come when he had an advantage because he figured it didnt matter since he would be winning anyway and wouldnt have to pay for his behavior.

When I refer to his act, I am referring to everything. How he conducts and represents himself as a professional fighter and sportsman. Its the means by which he makes his money, supports his family and gained his notoriety. I had little respect for Yoel as a trainer before but there is no reason Zab has the talents near the level or a mayweather or jones and acts in a way that makes him look like a Tyson or Golota. A fighter like mayorga needs that kind of stupidity to try to intimidate and agitate his opponents to make up for where his talents fall short. Zab doesn't.

For the record, when zab hit sample. Sample had already went down and was trying to get back up and hand his hands on the middle rope on the corner and was looking up when judah beat the inexperienced ref over to the corner, stood over sample and got in a shot for good measure. It was blatant.

I am not saying he was always bad, he seemed like a decent confused kid with a bad trainer. But hes had that influence so long that he's started to think with the same mentality. I'm pretty sure Don king whispering in his ear doesnt help either. But its not like hes 17 or 19. Hes old enough to think for himself and start acting responsibly.

By the way, roy jones approached fat joe in a club and confronted him about the lyrics and Joe apologized and it was squashed... even if there wasnt i doubt there would be a fight. Maybe a reply track or reference to joe somewhere ona body/head record but I doubt seriously that It would have came down to fisticuffs as reported in the zab/bustah incident.